My child attends an elite college. It is overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will forever be the most elite but it isn’t the right school for everyone. All others schools will move up and down in the elite list, and so, the most important factor is fit. Rankings isn’t important, experience is!

What if I major in Art and Film at Harvard

Aren’t there some Oscar winning actors who went there? Harvard is a great degree to have even if you do not succeed in your first career. I don’t have a Harvard degree but I am humble enough to recognize that their degree worth a lot. Sure for film people, they think USC is better, but as I wrote before, the fit is more important. If you don’t think you will be Spielberg, then it is better to have a Harvard degree. That is assuming you can get in.

They were actors and then went to Harvard, then back to acting. They did not go to Harvard out of high school and then become actors.

false. Also a loft of the most gifted actors we recognize came out of the Yale drama school.

"Theater majors graduating with a master's degree from Yale make a median salary of $25,000 a year. This is less than what their typical peers from other schools make. Their median salary is $26,850."

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/yale-university/academic-life/academic-majors/visual-and-performing-arts/drama-and-theater-arts/#:~:text=Salary%20of%20Theater%20Graduates%20with,Their%20median%20salary%20is%20%2426%2C850.


LMFAO
LMFAO
LMFAO

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Anonymous wrote:Parents helicopter over kids to get them into “top tier” schools and then completely drop the ball when it comes to helping them choose a lucrative or “impressive” field of study. If you are going to go through all the trouble of hovering over your child so they get into Harvard, why would you pay for them to study interpretive dance?

I’m more impressed by a kid in a pre med program at a mid tier school than a kid studying creative writing at an ivy.

+100

Yes
However, I'm not impressed by the kids saying 'I'm pre-med' yet
Anybody can claim 'pre-med' a lot of them fails to enter medical shcool.
I'll hold until they actually get in.

Most importanly what do they do right after the college?
Did they actually make it to doctors?
Did they actually start working for some highly regarded companies related to the field of sutdy with 6 figure salary potential soon?
Did they advance to a well respected graduate school without speding your own money?
etc.

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Anonymous wrote:yeah, you don't go to cambridge to study literature. the time to study literature is high school and even middle school. after that, you read literature for fun. you don't major in literature. not because it is not important, but because you are not good enough to make living doing it.

Of course, no Oxbridge student ever studied Shakespeare...

Hush. Don’t ruin the narrative!

You study Shakespeare as one of the Gen Ed courese requirements.
Never major in Shakespeare.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

If you really believe that take your kid out of that school and place them in a less selective school.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

If you really believe that take your kid out of that school and place them in a less selective school.

If your mind is set on medical shool or law school, it actually happes a lot.
Ultimate goal becomes admission to a medical/law school, and different stragies are taken.
Name of your medical shool or law school becomes much much more importnat than the name unergraduate school is almost neglected.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

If you really believe that take your kid out of that school and place them in a less selective school.

Which doctor would you get your surgery from:
- T10 elite ivy level under graduate -> mediocre medical school
- Not a bad undergraduat college(T30, T40, even T50) -> well respected good medical school.

Obviously T-10 elite ivy level undergradeate -> well respected good medical shool would be ideal.
However many students strategically aim for Not a bad undergraduat college -> well respected good medical shool.
Simlar for law schools. So medical schools and law schools are kind of a different animals.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents helicopter over kids to get them into “top tier” schools and then completely drop the ball when it comes to helping them choose a lucrative or “impressive” field of study. If you are going to go through all the trouble of hovering over your child so they get into Harvard, why would you pay for them to study interpretive dance?

I’m more impressed by a kid in a pre med program at a mid tier school than a kid studying creative writing at an ivy.

+100

Just like travel sports obsessed parents whose sporty kid quickly quits the sport at college -- you can't force a college student to do anything, let alone micromanage some perfect "impressive" college resume for them. I don't care if your teen is going to college less than five miles away from your house at Georgetown, you can't control them anymore. They pick the courses and major they want, go to class when they want, care enough to put the study hours in to perform well or not well at all in courses you wish they'd ace, bomb pre-med weed out courses (hello change of major!), ignore office hours, sleep in, not join the clubs and ECs you want them to, think recruiting and networking events are pointless and corny, not follow through on a mentor your husband tries to link them with. And they can white lie to you and mislead you that everything is great. Your power over them after dorm move-in day is practically nonexistent -- and attempts to assert parental power will just make them lie to you more, make them more defiant for the sake of asserting their own independence, or they'll casually ghost you. What are you going to do, stop paying for their tuition at Penn? Of course not -- and they know that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

I love how you sneaked in UVA and Northeastern in there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard will forever be the most elite but it isn’t the right school for everyone. All others schools will move up and down in the elite list, and so, the most important factor is fit. Rankings isn’t important, experience is!

What if I major in Art and Film at Harvard

Aren’t there some Oscar winning actors who went there? Harvard is a great degree to have even if you do not succeed in your first career. I don’t have a Harvard degree but I am humble enough to recognize that their degree worth a lot. Sure for film people, they think USC is better, but as I wrote before, the fit is more important. If you don’t think you will be Spielberg, then it is better to have a Harvard degree. That is assuming you can get in.

Fun fact - Harvard suspended its theater program for three years because the Harvard brand isn't the golden key that can open any doors. Most of the program's graduates ended up with high debt (on average of $78,000) and the program received a "failing" grade from DOE.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/07/17/harvard-suspends-graduate-program-theater

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Anonymous wrote:yeah, you don't go to cambridge to study literature. the time to study literature is high school and even middle school. after that, you read literature for fun. you don't major in literature. not because it is not important, but because you are not good enough to make living doing it.

Of course, no Oxbridge student ever studied Shakespeare...

Hush. Don’t ruin the narrative!

You study Shakespeare as one of the Gen Ed courese requirements.
Never major in Shakespeare.

That’s exactly how Oxford and Cambridge work. You’re a genius!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

I love how you sneaked in UVA and Northeastern in there.

Not just UVA. UVA McIntire which is another level in general.

Meant to say Northwestern contasting Northwestern communications vs Northwestern Econ/Math/Stem.
However it was not too off. Northestern Compter Engineeing(STEM) graduates start making $88,000 righ out of college, and making 6 figures in no time(after 1-2 years).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

I love how you sneaked in UVA and Northeastern in there.

According to USNWR
Both CMU and UVA are #25 overall

CMU flagship major CS is #2
UVA flagship major Business is #7
Both lead to 6 figure salary out of college.

These were very comparable examples.
You seem to have an issue only with UVA.
What is your prblem??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yeah, you don't go to cambridge to study literature. the time to study literature is high school and even middle school. after that, you read literature for fun. you don't major in literature. not because it is not important, but because you are not good enough to make living doing it.

Of course, no Oxbridge student ever studied Shakespeare...

Hush. Don’t ruin the narrative!

You study Shakespeare as one of the Gen Ed courese requirements.
Never major in Shakespeare.

There are no Gen Ed requirements at Oxford. You study what you came to study and this is it. Unless you study literature, there will been Shakespeare. You "declare" your major before you are admitted (you are admitted to a particular college) and therefore the student can't change their major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

I love how you sneaked in UVA and Northeastern in there.

According to USNWR
Both CMU and UVA are #25 overall

CMU flagship major CS is #2
UVA flagship major Business is #7
Both lead to 6 figure salary out of college.

These were very comparable examples.
You seem to have an issue only with UVA.
What is your prblem??

*problem

It's not just me but most of DCUM has a problem with you obnoxious UVA boosters.