Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

You play with the facts and then put an awful lot of words in other people’s mouths to try and make yourself seem more rational. It’s not quite working.

The irony is that you frequently express your dissatisfaction with FCPS and the School Board, but when it comes to Langley and McLean you seem to think every decision they’ve ever made was spot on. Gee, wonder why?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

You play with the facts and then put an awful lot of words in other people’s mouths to try and make yourself seem more rational. It’s not quite working.

The irony is that you frequently express your dissatisfaction with FCPS and the School Board, but when it comes to Langley and McLean you seem to think every decision they’ve ever made was spot on. Gee, wonder why?

DP here. We just moved to McLean (Langley side). I do agree that all these kids aren’t being moved to a school much further, if at all. As pp mentioned, their neighbors are already going to Langley.

I wonder if people realize how close McLean and Langley are to one another.

I remember when we first bought our house, i stumbled upon some boundary discussions. Some wanted Herndon to be assigned to Langley, which made no sense. I thought it would be obvious to get rid of the Franklin Sherman or Spring Hill split feeders because they are physically closest to Langley.

I think the final decision makes sense looking at a map. It is a cleaner boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

You play with the facts and then put an awful lot of words in other people’s mouths to try and make yourself seem more rational. It’s not quite working.

The irony is that you frequently express your dissatisfaction with FCPS and the School Board, but when it comes to Langley and McLean you seem to think every decision they’ve ever made was spot on. Gee, wonder why?

Ha! I think the SB is a bunch of morons who have never made a correct decision when it comes to Langley OR McLean. They should have made sure McLean had an addition years ago, but they kept delaying it - and now here we are. Even the renovation at Langley (which it was DUE, btw), was delayed and then took four long years to complete.

Please do point out where I “played with facts” or put any words in your mouth. I haven’t and you know it. With every post, you’re making yourself seem less and less credible. Please stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

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Janie Strauss told McLean in 2015 an addition would be built before any students were moved to Langley.

Karen Keys Gamarra, Karen Corbett Sanders, and others then on the School Board wouldn’t let Janie Strauss move forward with a boundary change in 2018 that would have moved some of Tysons to Langley. Not because an addition hadn’t been built, but because they said they needed to be sure “equity” was fully taken into account.

Elaine Tholen pledged during her campaign to get an addition in the queue on the CIP.

Finally, in 2021 FCPS staff comes out with a proposal that tried to reflect the Board’s focus on “equity” and Tholen rejected it in favor of one that moves no apartments to Langley. Meanwhile she has failed get McLean in the queue for an addition. Corbett Sanders and Keys Gamarra voted in favor of this with not a word about equity or Langley’s unique lack of housing diversity.

After so many years of lies and empty rhetoric, no one should be surprised that some of us think poorly of FCPS. McLean HS has a fine administration and many great teachers, but it does well in spite of the people who ought to be looking out after the school. Meanwhile, over twice the amount of money got spent on Langley’s renovation (which, yes, was due) than was spent on McLean’s renovation and other schools that were less overcrowded than McLean are getting permanent additions, not a cheap modular.

The one constant is that the School Board members who have let us down have been loyal Democrats who never rock the boat. We need people with a very different mindset or FCPS will continue to slide.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

It can also take well over 30 minutes just to get out of the Langley parking lot after school is out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

I’m an actual Langley parent who has picked up my kids many times. As for Gtown pike, that backup is due to the beltway exit there. You live 4.5 miles from Langley? We live ten miles away. I think you’ll be ok. Good grief.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

You play with the facts and then put an awful lot of words in other people’s mouths to try and make yourself seem more rational. It’s not quite working.

The irony is that you frequently express your dissatisfaction with FCPS and the School Board, but when it comes to Langley and McLean you seem to think every decision they’ve ever made was spot on. Gee, wonder why?

DP here. We just moved to McLean (Langley side). I do agree that all these kids aren’t being moved to a school much further, if at all. As pp mentioned, their neighbors are already going to Langley.

I wonder if people realize how close McLean and Langley are to one another.

I remember when we first bought our house, i stumbled upon some boundary discussions. Some wanted Herndon to be assigned to Langley, which made no sense. I thought it would be obvious to get rid of the Franklin Sherman or Spring Hill split feeders because they are physically closest to Langley.

I think the final decision makes sense looking at a map. It is a cleaner boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:Janie Strauss told McLean in 2015 an addition would be built before any students were moved to Langley.

Karen Keys Gamarra, Karen Corbett Sanders, and others then on the School Board wouldn’t let Janie Strauss move forward with a boundary change in 2018 that would have moved some of Tysons to Langley. Not because an addition hadn’t been built, but because they said they needed to be sure “equity” was fully taken into account.

Elaine Tholen pledged during her campaign to get an addition in the queue on the CIP.

Finally, in 2021 FCPS staff comes out with a proposal that tried to reflect the Board’s focus on “equity” and Tholen rejected it in favor of one that moves no apartments to Langley. Meanwhile she has failed get McLean in the queue for an addition. Corbett Sanders and Keys Gamarra voted in favor of this with not a word about equity or Langley’s unique lack of housing diversity.

After so many years of lies and empty rhetoric, no one should be surprised that some of us think poorly of FCPS. McLean HS has a fine administration and many great teachers, but it does well in spite of the people who ought to be looking out after the school. Meanwhile, over twice the amount of money got spent on Langley’s renovation (which, yes, was due) than was spent on McLean’s renovation and other schools that were less overcrowded than McLean are getting permanent additions, not a cheap modular.

The one constant is that the School Board members who have let us down have been loyal Democrats who never rock the boat. We need people with a very different mindset or FCPS will continue to slide.

This is the issue. The SB is horrible. Many of us tried our best to warn you all, but were called all manner of names as a result. Perhaps you’ll consider your choices more wisely in 2022.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

It can also take well over 30 minutes just to get out of the Langley parking lot after school is out.

This is complete BS. It does get backed up, but has never taken longer than 10 minutes. Stop lying to make some kind of “point.” It just shows how disingenuous you are.

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For those of you McLean parents complaining about trivial, idiotic things, I guess you’d prefer to have your kids sandwiched in like sardines for the foreseeable future, rather than sending some - who are JUST AS CLOSE - to Langley, to alleviate overcrowding.

We already know the SB isn’t going to build an addition anytime soon at McLean. So what is it, exactly, you would like right now? A grossly overcrowded school? Your complaints are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you McLean parents complaining about trivial, idiotic things, I guess you’d prefer to have your kids sandwiched in like sardines for the foreseeable future, rather than sending some - who are JUST AS CLOSE - to Langley, to alleviate overcrowding.

We already know the SB isn’t going to build an addition anytime soon at McLean. So what is it, exactly, you would like right now? A grossly overcrowded school? Your complaints are ridiculous.

How smug? Are you a Langley parent?

With the addition of the modular, McLean wasn't going to be above capacity when kids returned to the building, with or without a boundary change.

It's not ridiculous for us to be more than a bit peeved when they delayed a modular for years, and a boundary change even longer, because they told us everything had to be filtered through their special "equity lens," only for them to end up making a change that is less "equity-based" (in the sense that it will increase, not decrease, the demographic gaps between Langley and McLean) than one they could have gone ahead and approved three years ago.

As for the distance, most of the students who are being moved live closer to McLean (and to Marshall for that matter) than to Langley. Some may live about the same distance, but those will be the students who'll have the longest commute on Lewinsville and/or Georgetown Pike, which as other posters have already pointed out can be a haul.

We'll accept the decision they've made and go from there, as there's really nothing else to do now, but it's been one shitty ride. There is maybe only one other school with as crappy a physical plant as McLean - Annandale - that isn't in the queue for a major renovation or permanent addition.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

It can also take well over 30 minutes just to get out of the Langley parking lot after school is out.

This is complete BS. It does get backed up, but has never taken longer than 10 minutes. Stop lying to make some kind of “point.” It just shows how disingenuous you are.

Do you know Langley students? My kids do, and they've heard about the mad rush at Langley after school ends to get in and out of the parking lot and how it can take more than 30 minutes because of the back up in the parking lot and along Georgetown Pike. I have no idea why you'd be so defensive about something that happens when you have a school that has a large parking lot, a lot of kids who drive because they don't want to take a bus to homes that can be as many as 12 miles away, and only a few entrances and exits that all dump you onto a single road that has other afternoon traffic.

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I’ve been inside McLean and it is not this dump you keep making it out to be. It’s perfectly fine. Yes, you need an addition, but you had a renovation relatively recently, compared to many other schools. And to compare it to Annandale??? Wow, you really should be ashamed.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a done deal? All of Colvin run now will go to copper/Langley and also parts of west brier and Spring Hill?

Looking at a map, this looks like it makes sense.

I have a current 6th grader who will be attending cooper next year. I welcome diversity and so do most other people I know.

Why didn’t the apartments get moved to Langley?

Very doubtful parents try to keep multi family housing out.

The apartments didn't get moved to Langley, as the staff had proposed, because Elaine Tholen was browbeaten by parents who said eliminating the split feeder at Colvin Run and having a "cleaner" boundary map was more important. You don't have to keep people out when you let the ones begging the hardest to be let in have their way.

This is what FCPS has done over and over again for more than a decade, and then they act shocked when the disparities in nearby schools (Annandale/Woodson, Lewis/West Springfield, McLean/Langley) keep increasing. It's their doing, and they know how to look sad about it but not fix it or avoid it.

You have been repeating yourself over and over. It makes zero sense to draw weird boundaries all in the name of “equity” - as if an apartment here or there would make any difference at all. It’s an asinine argument. Boundaries *should* be drawn cleanly and simply, with no ulterior motives. It’s people like you, ranting about apartments, who have gummed up this whole process. Most parents just want a boundary that makes sense. Split-feeders are ridiculous. I’m glad they fixed that.

If you want to traffic in what's good planning, building out a school with a declining enrollment in a remote corner of the county to over 2350 students, as FCPS did with Langley, probably isn't going to win any awards.

Every student they decided to move to make the boundaries "cleaner" will travel further to Langley than it would take them to travel to McLean.

Listen, bitter McLean mom. It’s been correctly pointed out, time and again, that it makes sense to enlarge a school if a renovation is going on anyhow, and there is room to do so - which there was. With the added space at Langley, there was/is room to bring over some McLean kids to alleviate the overcrowding at your school - which we all know the SB has no intention of doing anything about (beyond adding a modular). If you don’t want some McLean kids to go to Langley, that’s your problem. It’s a common sense solution. Sadly, neither you nor the SB seem to have any common sense at all, or this would’ve been implemented by now.

We all knew the know-it-all Langley mom would show up eventually to do her own special victory dance. What took you so long?

I’m sorry, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean it’s common sense to go ahead and do it, and now FCPS will end up spending more money over a longer period of time to transport more kids longer distances to a school that has a single entrance and exit off a busy two-lane road. And FCPS didn’t tell the public how many seats it had actually added to Langley until the year the renovation was completed - before that it had said for years in multiple CIPs it was adding 250 seats fewer.

They are moving kids who live practically equidistant to the two schools, not busing them miles away! Their neighbors across the road have been zoned to Langley for years, you twit. To repeat: these kids aren’t being bused any farther. For crying out loud, Langley and McLean are only three miles apart! And what on earth do the (two) Langley entrances have to do with anything? They’ve worked fine for decades.

You are just so resentful you can’t even see straight - nor can you admit that this is a good solution for McLean to help alleviate overcrowding in the short term. The way you’ve been carrying on, one would think half of McLean was being moved! Calm down.

I drive past Langley. Did you know 3 miles can easily take 15 min -18min on Lewisville Rd or Georgetown Pike? That adds another 30 min on already long bus trip. We live 4.5 miles away from Langley and it's surprising how much traffic there is in the mornings.

It can also take well over 30 minutes just to get out of the Langley parking lot after school is out.

This is complete BS. It does get backed up, but has never taken longer than 10 minutes. Stop lying to make some kind of “point.” It just shows how disingenuous you are.

Do you know Langley students? My kids do, and they've heard about the mad rush at Langley after school ends to get in and out of the parking lot and how it can take more than 30 minutes because of the back up in the parking lot and along Georgetown Pike. I have no idea why you'd be so defensive about something that happens when you have a school that has a large parking lot, a lot of kids who drive because they don't want to take a bus to homes that can be as many as 12 miles away, and only a few entrances and exits that all dump you onto a single road that has other afternoon traffic.

I am a parent to two Langley students and have picked them up many times. So I believe I know more about the parking lot than whatever secondhand information your kids are getting. At dismissal, there is a mad rush for the cars (as there is at EVERY high school). The longest it has ever taken us to exit the parking lot is *maybe* 10 minutes - everyone takes turns. Yes, Gtown Pike can be backed up due to the Beltway exit, and yes, that can add some extra time. But you’re really grasping at straws if this is what you’ve decided to complain about.