Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?

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Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

Maybe I said it five times and others said it seven times. It's not a secret.

As for proof, do you mean apart from knowing personally how many student leaders, band members, athletes, past PTA presidents, etc, have come from those Vienna neighborhoods? I suppose not, but it's not really "WTF" territory in any case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

Ugh. Here comes the move Great Falls to Herndon posters...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are serious questions raised about the accuracy of the student projections in the CIP. If that is true, then they will need an addition. If it is not true they will not. There is a task force that has been put together to study this issue.

I get the feeling this "task force" is just an off ramp for Elaine Tholen and other people in FCPS who, having now made the boundary change, won't really deal with this again for years. "We're monitoring the situation..."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

Ugh. Here comes the move Great Falls to Herndon posters...

I have never advocated for that, because I don't see anywhere close to enough room for Forestville or Great Falls at Herndon.

If the new western high school ever gets built, though, I will be sure to stock up on popcorn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

Ugh. Here comes the move Great Falls to Herndon posters...

I have never advocated for that, because I don't see anywhere close to enough room for Forestville or Great Falls at Herndon.

If the new western high school ever gets built, though, I will be sure to stock up on popcorn.

We live very close to Langley off Georgetown Pike. No one ever talks about this boundary change in real life. It just seems like a big topic here on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

Maybe I said it five times and others said it seven times. It's not a secret.

As for proof, do you mean apart from knowing personally how many student leaders, band members, athletes, past PTA presidents, etc, have come from those Vienna neighborhoods? I suppose not, but it's not really "WTF" territory in any case.

I’m going to guess that you don’t even live in these neighborhoods. You’re just pissed that they are moving to Langley. Get over it. There are one of other “involved” McLean families who will remain.
DP

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Plenty of other ^^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

So then what you’re advocating is for these pockets of low-income students to be carved out of their boundaries - which currently make geographic sense - and then bused miles out of their way to Langley, even though they’re much closer to Marshall and South Lakes? Because you think carving out awkward little islands of low-income families and sending them to Langley would make them feel better about themselves - being the token “poor” kids - and would make such a huge impact on “economic diversity” at Langley? Have you ever asked those students and parents what they would think about your busing proposal? Why don’t you do that and then get back to us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

+1
That poster is a broken record. I think she’s just grasping at anything to fear monger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

Ugh. Here comes the move Great Falls to Herndon posters...

I have never advocated for that, because I don't see anywhere close to enough room for Forestville or Great Falls at Herndon.

If the new western high school ever gets built, though, I will be sure to stock up on popcorn.

We live very close to Langley off Georgetown Pike. No one ever talks about this boundary change in real life. It just seems like a big topic here on DCUM.

You live close to Langley. OK.

Over 250 parents from Forestville ES, who don't live so close, packed the cafeteria and berated Janie Strauss for two hours in June 2019 because they'd heard her say part of Langley might eventually get moved to Herndon in another decade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

+1
That poster is a broken record. I think she’s just grasping at anything to fear monger.

Or maybe you can't deal with anything other than total enthusiasm for pulling kids out of McLean to add to Langley's numbers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Langley poster doesn't see income like White people "don't see race." LOL.

And people like you would prefer to bus kids for miles out of their way, just to make Langley more “economically diverse.” Admit it - there are no low-income apartments anywhere near Langley that could be included in its boundary without having to bus those kids FAR FROM THEIR OWN HOMES. Have you asked those families how they’d feel about their kids sitting on buses much longer than necessary, all so they could be the token “poor people” at a new school? It’s disgusting that you’re so obsessed with income (and race, ethnicity, etc.) that you would happily force certain kids to be bused in.

This, too, is also incorrect. There are kids in lower-income apartments zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and McLean who all live closer to Langley than some current Langley students. Perhaps because you have so little familiarity with lower-income areas at Langley, you aren't familiar with other neighborhoods assigned to other schools.

And whenever there is even the slightest hint that this might change, and FCPS might add greater housing diversity to Langley, someone eventually steps up (in the latest instance, Elaine Tholen) to make sure that doesn't happen.

Please list the low-income apartments currently zoned for the schools you listed, that are actually closer to Langley. We’ll wait.

Some kids travel 12 miles to Langley. Do you really think there are no lower and moderate-income apartments closer to Langley than that, whether in McLean, Falls Church, and Reston? The areas at McLean HS are in central Tysons, and off Anderson Road and Lee Highway; the lower-income areas at Marshall are behind the school, off Lee Highway, and off Magarity, and there are even more in Reston zoned to South Lakes. How else do you think the FARMS rate at Langley ends up 1/3 that of McLean, 1/6 that of Marshall, and 1/10th that of South Lakes?

So then what you’re advocating is for these pockets of low-income students to be carved out of their boundaries - which currently make geographic sense - and then bused miles out of their way to Langley, even though they’re much closer to Marshall and South Lakes? Because you think carving out awkward little islands of low-income families and sending them to Langley would make them feel better about themselves - being the token “poor” kids - and would make such a huge impact on “economic diversity” at Langley? Have you ever asked those students and parents what they would think about your busing proposal? Why don’t you do that and then get back to us.

You obviously have no problem with busing kids longer distances to Langley than any other students travel to a neighborhood high school in FCPS.

You also seem to be making the argument that lower-income families wouldn't feel comfortable at Langley because there are so few poor kids there. That argument seems a bit familiar, at least if you've watched documentaries on the 1950s.

Also, if attendance islands offend you so much, whether to promote diversity or to achieve other goals, we probably need to do something about the one the School Board is still leaving in place in Tysons even after this boundary change. For example, we could add the area south of Lewinsville Road between Route 7 and Route 123 to McLean's catchment area. That would make for a "clean" contiguous area and make Spring Hill a more balanced split feeder. Also, like so many other neighborhoods, that area is closer to McLean than to Langley. Maybe when we get that addition FCPS would obviously build if we just lobbied FCPS a bit harder and didn't spend time posting here, we'll take it up with the School Board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the impact of losing families and neighborhoods that had been very involved with the school for decades.

You have said this a dozen times. WTF? Is there any proof that this is true?

+1
That poster is a broken record. I think she’s just grasping at anything to fear monger.

Or maybe you can't deal with anything other than total enthusiasm for pulling kids out of McLean to add to Langley's numbers?

You still refuse to answer the question: exactly what is it you want right now that will alleviate overcrowding at McLean? You’re not getting an addition built at this time. The modular will only add so much extra space. What is YOUR bright idea to deal with the gross crush of students at McLean? Still waiting.