Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

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Anonymous wrote:Why did her family accept the 12 million dollars?

Who wouldn't?

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Anonymous wrote:It is a difficult case and I think it is really hard to look at the facts without being emotional. She did not deserve to be killed. It is tragic. Her family wants someone to be held accountable for murder however her killing does not meet the legal standards for murder.

If NOBODY is criminally liable for her death then the laws in KY (and most places in the US) are deeply flawed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did her family accept the 12 million dollars?

12 Million Dollars???

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Anonymous wrote:It is a difficult case and I think it is really hard to look at the facts without being emotional. She did not deserve to be killed. It is tragic. Her family wants someone to be held accountable for murder however her killing does not meet the legal standards for murder.

If NOBODY is criminally liable for her death then the laws in KY (and most places in the US) are deeply flawed.

False. Your feelings are not the basis of the justice system in the US.
Anyone who thinks people should go to jail for the string of errors that led to breonnas death are fools and better off in Russia or North Korea where feelings can be a basis for imprisonment and more horrific punishments.
I’ll pass tho.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a difficult case and I think it is really hard to look at the facts without being emotional. She did not deserve to be killed. It is tragic. Her family wants someone to be held accountable for murder however her killing does not meet the legal standards for murder.

If NOBODY is criminally liable for her death then the laws in KY (and most places in the US) are deeply flawed.

How so? Be specific.

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A warrant was issued pretenses that were at least partially false.

They did not have the personnel to enter without an occupant opening the door. Swat was not available.

Did they really announce that they were police? Witnesses say no.

One officer fired 16 shots. Why? Is that really self defense? Count to sixteen. That's a lot of gunshots.

There was a 70 second pause before more shots were fired. Why? That's self-defense?

Taylor was shot at many times while she was on the floor.

If that doesn't result in criminal charges it means the laws are flawed.

A city can be civilly liable to the tune of $12 million dollars but nobody is criminally liable? I'm clearly not a lawyer but that doesn't make sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:A warrant was issued pretenses that were at least partially false.

They did not have the personnel to enter without an occupant opening the door. Swat was not available.

Did they really announce that they were police? Witnesses say no.

One officer fired 16 shots. Why? Is that really self defense? Count to sixteen. That's a lot of gunshots.

There was a 70 second pause before more shots were fired. Why? That's self-defense?

Taylor was shot at many times while she was on the floor.

If that doesn't result in criminal charges it means the laws are flawed.



No-one is denying there were multiple procedural errors, but specifically what criminal charges?
A city can be civilly liable to the tune of $12 million dollars but nobody is criminally liable? I'm clearly not a lawyer but that doesn't make sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:A warrant was issued pretenses that were at least partially false.

They did not have the personnel to enter without an occupant opening the door. Swat was not available.

Did they really announce that they were police? Witnesses say no.

One officer fired 16 shots. Why? Is that really self defense? Count to sixteen. That's a lot of gunshots.

There was a 70 second pause before more shots were fired. Why? That's self-defense?

Taylor was shot at many times while she was on the floor.

If that doesn't result in criminal charges it means the laws are flawed.

A city can be civilly liable to the tune of $12 million dollars but nobody is criminally liable? I'm clearly not a lawyer but that doesn't make sense to me.

No-one is denying there were multiple procedural errors, but specifically what criminal charges?

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Anonymous wrote:It is a difficult case and I think it is really hard to look at the facts without being emotional. She did not deserve to be killed. It is tragic. Her family wants someone to be held accountable for murder however her killing does not meet the legal standards for murder.

This.

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The police officers are morally culpable for her death, but unfortunately legal culpability doesn't always follow moral culpability, which can be enraging when your loved one is killed and the people who are morally culpable for her death get away scot-free.

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I am proud to say I was part of a small protest for Justice for : Breonna Taylor today near Verizon Center. I was there for sports betting and saw the protest and joined them. I think this election will be different, because people are pissed off and they want something different then we have right now. Today after the protest I was excited like I was when I voted for the first time in 2008.

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Anonymous wrote:The police officers are morally culpable for her death, but unfortunately legal culpability doesn't always follow moral culpability, which can be enraging when your loved one is killed and the people who are morally culpable for her death get away scot-free.

You must live in another planet. The police returned fire after they were shot at. If your son was a police officer in that incident, would you prefer that he not returns fire and just dies?

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I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.

Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.

More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.

It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.

This. And when society and community leaders will be able to have an honest discussion about how this can be improved.

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Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

The boyfriend was arrested few weeks later after the shooting and charged with unrelated possession with intent to distribute controlled substance.

She sure had a knack for hanging out with upstanding citizens!

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So much misinformation on here. It’s a tragedy she died but it’s not the police officers fault. I also do not blame Nathaniel Walker for shooting first because he had the right to protect his home that he thought was being broken into.

There was a leaked document about the case. Breonna Taylor’s apartment and car were on the swatch warrant. The cops had surveillance of her packages being sent to her house. Breonna and a bunch of Jamarcus Glovers associates are on jail house recordings talking about drugs. Breonna was holding money to bail him out.

Breonna was also not an EMT. She was fired after she was questioned for her rental car being linked to a homicide when they found a dead body in the trunk. The man who died was the brother of one of Jamarcus Glovers associates.

The search warrant was lawful. Some of you don’t understand what it takes to get a warrant with a “ no knock” exception. It takes a lot of evidence to get one.

I think the police made some mistakes. They should have not knocked. Jamarcus Glover and like 5 other people at his house were hit with a “no knock” warrant ( they had 5 warrants for Jamarcus Glover, Breonna Taylor, and 3 other people) and none of them got hurt. I think she would be alive today if they had not knocked. They didn’t find any drugs but the officers were caring for the officer who was shot. Nathaniel Walker was alone in the house and could have did something with the drugs.

The other thing people fail to realize is the state will pay out regardless if the officers were justified or wrong. Paying her family out doesn’t mean the officers did anything wrong.