“Colleges That Change Lives”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid wanted a SLAC, liked many of these schools (and the price was right in their offers--they were often same or less than our in-state public costs). One thing I did to help narrow down was to confirm which schools had greater than 120,000 K per capita endowment AND were in the top 75 in US News and World Report. This shrunk the list of 40 down to these 13:

Agnes Scott College
Beloit College
Centre College
Denison
Kalamazoo
Lawrence University
Rhodes
St. Johns (MD)
University of Puget Sound
Wabash
Wheaton
Whitman
College of Wooster

We found this a bit more manageable to then look at individually for fit/location etc. than the very diverse list. Putting a "filter" like this on options, allowed me to feel more comfortable letting my daughter make her own decisions. For instance, from this list, DD cut out any strong religious orientation (e.g. she was okay with St Olaf mild religious background, not with Wheaton) and single-sex male (i.e., Wabash). But I knew that any of them were reasonably strong, rigorous institutions in decent financial shape.

This is a very sensible approach.

My DC, who struggled in HS (DC was a good, not great student, terrible organizational skills) graduated this year from a CTCL school that provided tremendous supports of all kinds. DC developed strong relationships with professors and with a few people in the career center.

Last summer, DC had an internship (thank you, career center and CTCL alums) at which they did very well. At the end of the summer, the employer made an excellent job offer to DC, including great benefits and insurance. DC put them off for a time while applying to other jobs, and received several great offers from which to choose.

Ultimately, DC negotiated with the best one and got more money ($76K/year) and vacation time, and will start work there after Labor Day.

For a kid who couldn't manage to hand in homework in high school, DC has done an amazing job of getting a great education and marketable skills. The past four years have been amazing, thanks to the CTCL school, which provided a great education and supports. I will be forever grateful to them and will participate in their fundraising enthusiastically for as long as I can.

Can you say which school it was?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid wanted a SLAC, liked many of these schools (and the price was right in their offers--they were often same or less than our in-state public costs). One thing I did to help narrow down was to confirm which schools had greater than 120,000 K per capita endowment AND were in the top 75 in US News and World Report. This shrunk the list of 40 down to these 13:

Agnes Scott College
Beloit College
Centre College
Denison
Kalamazoo
Lawrence University
Rhodes
St. Johns (MD)
University of Puget Sound
Wabash
Wheaton
Whitman
College of Wooster

We found this a bit more manageable to then look at individually for fit/location etc. than the very diverse list. Putting a "filter" like this on options, allowed me to feel more comfortable letting my daughter make her own decisions. For instance, from this list, DD cut out any strong religious orientation (e.g. she was okay with St Olaf mild religious background, not with Wheaton) and single-sex male (i.e., Wabash). But I knew that any of them were reasonably strong, rigorous institutions in decent financial shape.

This is a very sensible approach.

My DC, who struggled in HS (DC was a good, not great student, terrible organizational skills) graduated this year from a CTCL school that provided tremendous supports of all kinds. DC developed strong relationships with professors and with a few people in the career center.

Last summer, DC had an internship (thank you, career center and CTCL alums) at which they did very well. At the end of the summer, the employer made an excellent job offer to DC, including great benefits and insurance. DC put them off for a time while applying to other jobs, and received several great offers from which to choose.

Ultimately, DC negotiated with the best one and got more money ($76K/year) and vacation time, and will start work there after Labor Day.

For a kid who couldn't manage to hand in homework in high school, DC has done an amazing job of getting a great education and marketable skills. The past four years have been amazing, thanks to the CTCL school, which provided a great education and supports. I will be forever grateful to them and will participate in their fundraising enthusiastically for as long as I can.

Can you say which school it was?

I would rather not out DC, but it's one of the schools listed above.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of changing lives:

“ A former convict from New Jersey has been charged with targeting his daughter’s friends at Sarah Lawrence College for indoctrination and exploitation, engaging in sex trafficking, extortion and forced labor, according to an indictment released on Tuesday.

Shortly after the man, Lawrence V. Ray, left prison about a decade ago, he moved into his daughter’s dormitory at the elite college in Yonkers, N.Y., and began manipulating her friends and others, the indictment said. Over the course of nearly a decade, Mr. Ray “subjected his victims to sexual and psychological manipulation and physical abuse.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/nyregion/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-sex.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of changing lives:

“ A former convict from New Jersey has been charged with targeting his daughter’s friends at Sarah Lawrence College for indoctrination and exploitation, engaging in sex trafficking, extortion and forced labor, according to an indictment released on Tuesday.

Shortly after the man, Lawrence V. Ray, left prison about a decade ago, he moved into his daughter’s dormitory at the elite college in Yonkers, N.Y., and began manipulating her friends and others, the indictment said. Over the course of nearly a decade, Mr. Ray “subjected his victims to sexual and psychological manipulation and physical abuse.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/nyregion/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-sex.html

Discussed last year

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/801576.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Precisely. The hiring manager doesn't care what CTCL is, nor do they even know. This is why a lot of posters here are trying to tell you that CTCL is a marketing scam. And, no, these kids don't receive a quality education "often more much cheaper than a public education due to merit aid". Maybe you were the rare one who did, but most of these price tags of the privates are now approaching $80K a year. It takes a LOT of merit aid to match in-state tuition available at far more reputable public schools. The merit aid offered (unsolicited) to my DD from two CTCLs still left a big gap between the CTCL private and UVA, plus the CTCLs were schools few had heard of and didn't have the type of engineering DD wanted. All the CTCL schools wanted was her ACT score, which I know, because they told me they had purchased the list of DDs in certain locales with particular interests who had scored over a 32. They didn't want DD because she hadn't even submitted an application - the CTCLS were desperate for top scoring students. When I said DD had retaken the ACT and now had a 36, there was a rustling of paper and then the person who called US (unsolicited!) said that in light of the 36 DD qualified for "the President's scholarship" of $28K. That still left a huge gap between the CTCL and UVA, so DD went to UVA.

Disagree! I went to a small Catholic college (My mother worked their, so I received 4 years of education for less than $10,000). A number of our professors had personal connections to schools, businesses, hospitals, etc. and could get students interviews/jobs at a snap of their fingers, if they wanted to stay in the area. One could easily speak to a professor, while the kids at the state college had to work hard to get known by their professors who spent all day researching various topics, and had 0 minutes for connections, then start working at the bottom rung and fight over jobs. In fact, if I had to go back to my college, many of my professors are still there teaching. I attended grad school at a state school and 0 are still there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of changing lives:

“ A former convict from New Jersey has been charged with targeting his daughter’s friends at Sarah Lawrence College for indoctrination and exploitation, engaging in sex trafficking, extortion and forced labor, according to an indictment released on Tuesday.

Shortly after the man, Lawrence V. Ray, left prison about a decade ago, he moved into his daughter’s dormitory at the elite college in Yonkers, N.Y., and began manipulating her friends and others, the indictment said. Over the course of nearly a decade, Mr. Ray “subjected his victims to sexual and psychological manipulation and physical abuse.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/nyregion/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-sex.html

Sarah Lawrence is not one of the CTCL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Precisely. The hiring manager doesn't care what CTCL is, nor do they even know. This is why a lot of posters here are trying to tell you that CTCL is a marketing scam. And, no, these kids don't receive a quality education "often more much cheaper than a public education due to merit aid". Maybe you were the rare one who did, but most of these price tags of the privates are now approaching $80K a year. It takes a LOT of merit aid to match in-state tuition available at far more reputable public schools. The merit aid offered (unsolicited) to my DD from two CTCLs still left a big gap between the CTCL private and UVA, plus the CTCLs were schools few had heard of and didn't have the type of engineering DD wanted. All the CTCL schools wanted was her ACT score, which I know, because they told me they had purchased the list of DDs in certain locales with particular interests who had scored over a 32. They didn't want DD because she hadn't even submitted an application - the CTCLS were desperate for top scoring students. When I said DD had retaken the ACT and now had a 36, there was a rustling of paper and then the person who called US (unsolicited!) said that in light of the 36 DD qualified for "the President's scholarship" of $28K. That still left a huge gap between the CTCL and UVA, so DD went to UVA.

Disagree! I went to a small Catholic college (My mother worked their, so I received 4 years of education for less than $10,000). A number of our professors had personal connections to schools, businesses, hospitals, etc. and could get students interviews/jobs at a snap of their fingers, if they wanted to stay in the area. One could easily speak to a professor, while the kids at the state college had to work hard to get known by their professors who spent all day researching various topics, and had 0 minutes for connections, then start working at the bottom rung and fight over jobs. In fact, if I had to go back to my college, many of my professors are still there teaching. I attended grad school at a state school and 0 are still there!

My goodness that’s some great writing.

[Anonymous]

Multitasking again! Catholic grad = Momma with many kids in hand while typing.