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what we DO know is that nobody would be dead or in the ICU shot if he hadn't had a gun. [/quote]

No, we absolutely do NOT know that.   Who knows how long/how that man would have attacked the officer and his child?   Who knows what other customers might have done to try and jump in and "help?"   [/quote]

Exactly. We don’t know what would have happened. [/quote]

stop it. other countries with better gun laws have fewer gun deaths and lower homicide rates.  no gun, nobody gets shot.  situation gets de-escalated.

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And Emmanuel Aranda didn't need a gun to inflict serious damage on a 5 year old innocent boy when he threw him off a 3 story balcony in the Mall of America.  When someone with mental illness starts attacking an innocent child, I don't care about "de-escaulating" without a gun.   I care about stopping the assault on the child.   [b]If using a gun gets the assault STOPPED with minimal damage (the only ones hurt in this situation were the perpetrator and his enablers) that is success.[/b]  [/quote]

This right here.

If indeed the cop was assaulted, then the man who was shot was the perpetrator and not an innocent victim. [/quote]

It just depends on the specifics of the situation. Generally speaking, a fist fight should stay a fist fight. You better have a damn good reason for taking out your gun in that type of situation. Being a puzzy is not a good reason. Not that it is very relevant to this incident, but cops have become to dependent on tasers and freak out if they have to fight someone nowadays. [/quote]

Would you want to get into a fist fight with a massive 32 year old  man while holding your baby?   All while two other people (his parents) AlSO come charging at you?   Are there more of them?   How about if you don't know if this massive man or any of his accomplices have weapons?   How many other innocent people are also standing by that could possibly be hurt?
And you have the power to "de-escalate" the whole situation...with your gun.   You're really telling me you're going to keep "fist fighting" this guy, and his parents, and who knows who else he has with him--while holding your baby in one arm?[/quote]

First of all - YES I expect police officers to be trained in de-escalation. THAT IS THEIR JOB.  Not to shoot every time they feel scared.  I mean really, have some higher standards?

Second of all - you have to look at this on a society-wide level.  It is NOT OK to live in a society where everyone is packing and shoots wildly in public places whenever they get into an altercation.  This is the WHOLE REASON to have gun control: so the consequences of these kinds of incidents can be reduced.  [/quote]

NP. You can't deescalate someone attacking you. You have to beat their ass or taze them!

As far as shooting wildly, most cops miss most of their shots. It's not easy to put rounds on target, especially when you feel that your life is in danger. It sucks that innocent people get hit sometimes,  but there is often no alternative.[/quote]

I just find this post incredibly disgusting and scary. The police are supposed to "protect and serve." Not approach every situation with fear for their lives and armed to the teeth, focused on protecting themselves and then shrugging that "innocent people get hit sometimes, but there is often no alternative." What kind of absolute dystopia do you live in?  [/quote]

Probably the complete opposite of your LaLaLand, where when you are being attacked, you sing Kumbaya and offer to talk about your feelings instead of actually protecting yourself. [/quote]

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