incompetent teacher -- what can parents do?

Anonymous
You can ask the admin to change the schedule for your child so that he/she can get a different teacher. Please remember that sometime by wanting to change one classroom or teacher. you may end up with a difficult teacher for another class.
Anonymous
21 pages of complaints written during the past three years from people who live in the most affluent communities in America.

The system is irreparably broken. Stop hiring PE teachers as principals and making their secretaries Assistant Principals. Stop hiring English Teachers who don't read books. Stop hiring Math Teachers who never passed Algebra II. Stop placing athletic championships before academic success. Stop hiring athletic coaches to teach academic classes. Teaching and coaching are both full-time jobs today. No one can do them both effectively any longer.

Stop requiring high school students to spend 12 months a year in the weight room. Stop encouraging high schoolers to beef up to 300 pounds to be linemen when their only future is to be grossly obese men.

Stop making believe you actually give a damn about the children you are hired to teach and protect.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:21 pages of complaints written during the past three years from people who live in the most affluent communities in America.

The system is irreparably broken. Stop hiring PE teachers as principals and making their secretaries Assistant Principals. Stop hiring English Teachers who don't read books. Stop hiring Math Teachers who never passed Algebra II. Stop placing athletic championships before academic success. Stop hiring athletic coaches to teach academic classes. Teaching and coaching are both full-time jobs today. No one can do them both effectively any longer.

Stop requiring high school students to spend 12 months a year in the weight room. Stop encouraging high schoolers to beef up to 300 pounds to be linemen when their only future is to be grossly obese men.

Stop making believe you actually give a damn about the children you are hired to teach and protect.


Written by someone with no actual knowledge about this particular situation, but a very specific axe to grind apparently.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity I searched for the teacher in question and she shows up as working at an MCPS school. I won’t state her name but looks like she landed somewhere else in the system, just as everyone predicted, holy cow.


If you look her up on the MD judiciary case search, you’ll notice there’s an interesting upcoming public trial. Who’s going? Who’s bringing popcorn?


I just did, but I only see past cases (last action in Nov 2017) for Montgomery County. Is it in another county?


it's an open case in montgomery county


Every MoCo case I saw for her was old. I think I counted 8. A few were still open, but no pending court dates. They all seem to be financial troubles and traffic issues (minor violations, but ticket unpaid, fender benders). The only one that looked interested had the County as a plaintiff and workman’s comp as an interested party, but it doesn’t seem to have anything “upcoming” on the docket. What date do you see anything upcoming?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity I searched for the teacher in question and she shows up as working at an MCPS school. I won’t state her name but looks like she landed somewhere else in the system, just as everyone predicted, holy cow.


If you look her up on the MD judiciary case search, you’ll notice there’s an interesting upcoming public trial. Who’s going? Who’s bringing popcorn?


I just did, but I only see past cases (last action in Nov 2017) for Montgomery County. Is it in another county?


it's an open case in montgomery county


Every MoCo case I saw for her was old. I think I counted 8. A few were still open, but no pending court dates. They all seem to be financial troubles and traffic issues (minor violations, but ticket unpaid, fender benders). The only one that looked interested had the County as a plaintiff and workman’s comp as an interested party, but it doesn’t seem to have anything “upcoming” on the docket. What date do you see anything upcoming?


Just that it’s listed as “open.” Interesting she’s working for the county while they’re suing her!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity I searched for the teacher in question and she shows up as working at an MCPS school. I won’t state her name but looks like she landed somewhere else in the system, just as everyone predicted, holy cow.


If you look her up on the MD judiciary case search, you’ll notice there’s an interesting upcoming public trial. Who’s going? Who’s bringing popcorn?


I just did, but I only see past cases (last action in Nov 2017) for Montgomery County. Is it in another county?


it's an open case in montgomery county


Every MoCo case I saw for her was old. I think I counted 8. A few were still open, but no pending court dates. They all seem to be financial troubles and traffic issues (minor violations, but ticket unpaid, fender benders). The only one that looked interested had the County as a plaintiff and workman’s comp as an interested party, but it doesn’t seem to have anything “upcoming” on the docket. What date do you see anything upcoming?


Just that it’s listed as “open.” Interesting she’s working for the county while they’re suing her!


Open =/= pending

There’s been little movement on it. Very short record. They may be in mediation.
Anonymous
The woman at the subject of this thread is utter garbage. My blood boils knowing my taxes pay for her salary. She should be in jail, not teaching children.

My understanding is that she has a family member who is a lawyer and helps her sue whenever her position is in jeopardy, and another friend or family member who is a physician and is more than willing to provide documentation of her many "illnesses" to go out on leave. These people deserve prison, as well. Sick monsters - every single one of them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The woman at the subject of this thread is utter garbage. My blood boils knowing my taxes pay for her salary. She should be in jail, not teaching children.

My understanding is that she has a family member who is a lawyer and helps her sue whenever her position is in jeopardy, and another friend or family member who is a physician and is more than willing to provide documentation of her many "illnesses" to go out on leave. These people deserve prison, as well. Sick monsters - every single one of them.


She shouldn’t have made it beyond Pyle. My understanding is that Pyle missed a few deadlines which gave her an opening to play that deceptive “medical leave” game.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The woman at the subject of this thread is utter garbage. My blood boils knowing my taxes pay for her salary. She should be in jail, not teaching children.

My understanding is that she has a family member who is a lawyer and helps her sue whenever her position is in jeopardy, and another friend or family member who is a physician and is more than willing to provide documentation of her many "illnesses" to go out on leave. These people deserve prison, as well. Sick monsters - every single one of them.


The court record seems to refute that.

Her court record reads like textbook Bipolar I. Traffic incidents. Lots of debt. Medical disputes.
Anonymous
I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.
Anonymous
Yes, when I read all of this, Pyle students are the REAL victims. Not the children of Gaithersburg MS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, when I read all of this, Pyle students are the REAL victims. Not the children of Gaithersburg MS.


This is pretty ignorant statement. All kids deserve good teachers. In any work situation incompetent workers are let go but it does not happen in Mcps.

We are zoned to a low performing MS in upcounty. Very often there are many variables as to why the students are underperforming...usually low SES and low education of the household is blamed. But what happens when all variables are removed and only the teacher performance is evaluated by other means than MAPs?

Mcps needs to add other mechanism of teacher evaluation and it needs to include outside evaluators sitting in the classroom and observing the teachers in the classrooms. Especially important when MAP scores are high but at least 1/2 the parents petition and document inefficiency.

Maybe this cannot happen unless they fix curriculum and textbooks first.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, when I read all of this, Pyle students are the REAL victims. Not the children of Gaithersburg MS.


This is pretty ignorant statement. All kids deserve good teachers. In any work situation incompetent workers are let go but it does not happen in Mcps.

We are zoned to a low performing MS in upcounty. Very often there are many variables as to why the students are underperforming...usually low SES and low education of the household is blamed. But what happens when all variables are removed and only the teacher performance is evaluated by other means than MAPs?

Mcps needs to add other mechanism of teacher evaluation and it needs to include outside evaluators sitting in the classroom and observing the teachers in the classrooms. Especially important when MAP scores are high but at least 1/2 the parents petition and document inefficiency.

Maybe this cannot happen unless they fix curriculum and textbooks first.


Whose life is more likely to be negatively impacted by an incompetent teacher? MC kid or poor kid. ESP. poor kid who might also have parents who don’t speak English. She went from Pyle to Gaithersburg. Pyle parents marshaled resources, including DCUM, to address what their kids needed. I know because I was on this thread from the start. Does the average parent at Gaithersburg have the time and connections to help their kid in this way?
Anonymous
"In any work situation incompetent workers are let go but it does not happen in Mcps."

This is such bull.

My DC is headed to private college next weekend where the bill can be $240k for four years.

We get some merit aid and will only be paying about 60% of that but our communication with the school thus far has been exactly like our communication with MCPS, POOR.

We pretty much have continuous ongoing battles with the incompetent people that work for Amazon.

We had someone clean our brickwork, they blew out a screen and tried to hide it.

We had a lawn company. We specifically picked them and had them put a note in our file to email us before coming. They didn't and also "forgot" to put up the little sign we ended up with a vet bill because our dog is allergic to lawn chemicals.

Our dentist made out an itemized bill after some dental work. Each item was at least $500 and the total was about $4K. Two months later, they sent another bill for $110 for a "supply" they forgot to list.

That is just 2018, so far. Should I list my interactions with incompetent people that work for companies that were not fired in 2017?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:"In any work situation incompetent workers are let go but it does not happen in Mcps."

This is such bull.

My DC is headed to private college next weekend where the bill can be $240k for four years.

We get some merit aid and will only be paying about 60% of that but our communication with the school thus far has been exactly like our communication with MCPS, POOR.

We pretty much have continuous ongoing battles with the incompetent people that work for Amazon.

We had someone clean our brickwork, they blew out a screen and tried to hide it.

We had a lawn company. We specifically picked them and had them put a note in our file to email us before coming. They didn't and also "forgot" to put up the little sign we ended up with a vet bill because our dog is allergic to lawn chemicals.

Our dentist made out an itemized bill after some dental work. Each item was at least $500 and the total was about $4K. Two months later, they sent another bill for $110 for a "supply" they forgot to list.

That is just 2018, so far. Should I list my interactions with incompetent people that work for companies that were not fired in 2017?


Your problems have one thing in common - YOU. This is deserving of it's own thread. Go ahead and start one.
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