incompetent teacher -- what can parents do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"In any work situation incompetent workers are let go but it does not happen in Mcps."

This is such bull.

My DC is headed to private college next weekend where the bill can be $240k for four years.

We get some merit aid and will only be paying about 60% of that but our communication with the school thus far has been exactly like our communication with MCPS, POOR.

We pretty much have continuous ongoing battles with the incompetent people that work for Amazon.

We had someone clean our brickwork, they blew out a screen and tried to hide it.

We had a lawn company. We specifically picked them and had them put a note in our file to email us before coming. They didn't and also "forgot" to put up the little sign we ended up with a vet bill because our dog is allergic to lawn chemicals.

Our dentist made out an itemized bill after some dental work. Each item was at least $500 and the total was about $4K. Two months later, they sent another bill for $110 for a "supply" they forgot to list.

That is just 2018, so far. Should I list my interactions with incompetent people that work for companies that were not fired in 2017?

Your problems have one thing in common - YOU. This is deserving of it's own thread. Go ahead and start one.

No, think she has a point.

I had a surgical procedure yesterday. Today, the nurse checked things. She called in another doctor who said (before fixing me)“Who did this?” The nurse said “Three guesses.” To me, that means that my surgeon is known to be incompetent. Well, at least his coworkers know. Wish I’d known.

[Anonymous]

Seems like Americans have become very stupid and incompetent in all fields. Time now to get some teachers from other countries on H1B visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like Americans have become very stupid and incompetent in all fields. Time now to get some teachers from other countries on H1B visas.

Baltimore City brought in Filipino teachers a few years back. It didn’t work out well. They were great educators, but a dysfunctional system broke their spirits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity I searched for the teacher in question and she shows up as working at an MCPS school. I won’t state her name but looks like she landed somewhere else in the system, just as everyone predicted, holy cow.

If you look her up on the MD judiciary case search, you’ll notice there’s an interesting upcoming public trial. Who’s going? Who’s bringing popcorn?

I just did, but I only see past cases (last action in Nov 2017) for Montgomery County. Is it in another county?

it's an open case in montgomery county

Every MoCo case I saw for her was old. I think I counted 8. A few were still open, but no pending court dates. They all seem to be financial troubles and traffic issues (minor violations, but ticket unpaid, fender benders). The only one that looked interested had the County as a plaintiff and workman’s comp as an interested party, but it doesn’t seem to have anything “upcoming” on the docket. What date do you see anything upcoming?

Just that it’s listed as “open.” Interesting she’s working for the county while they’re suing her!

Open =/= pending

There’s been little movement on it. Very short record. They may be in mediation.

Just checked again. She requested a continuance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

I don’t like to name names on DCUM, because I worry someone will then tear those teachers down. but I promise you many, many excellent teachers have left in the last five years. Do you work at Pyle? If you did you would know it’s true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

I don’t like to name names on DCUM, because I worry someone will then tear those teachers down. but I promise you many, many excellent teachers have left in the last five years. Do you work at Pyle? If you did you would know it’s true.

Sounds like you work there (or worked there) and have sour feelings toward the school. Maybe you should move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

I don’t like to name names on DCUM, because I worry someone will then tear those teachers down. but I promise you many, many excellent teachers have left in the last five years. Do you work at Pyle? If you did you would know it’s true.

Sounds like you work there (or worked there) and have sour feelings toward the school. Maybe you should move on.

Interesting that you're so defensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

I don’t like to name names on DCUM, because I worry someone will then tear those teachers down. but I promise you many, many excellent teachers have left in the last five years. Do you work at Pyle? If you did you would know it’s true.

Name a teacher or it didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Peeked into this thread for no real reason and daaaamn. But wait tell me again I’m an idiot for sending my kids to a private

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel very sorry for Pyle MS. This is an affluent school and the parents do a lot to raise money for all kinds of things in the school. Indeed, any department, activity, teacher that needs money or can provide some kind of enrichment is fully funded by the parents. They have also outsourced a number of clubs and activities outside of the school day to outside vendors.

However, they are also a prime school for the worst teachers who try hard to land there and then it is an easy ride for them. The students are not going to do poorly on standardized tests like MAPs because they come from educated and affluent families. Their parents will make sure that they are not behind academically by whatever means necessary.

Pyle attracts the best teachers and the worst teachers and both do equally well there on paper. In another school where my child went to the magnet program, the school population was very diverse. This means that the worst teachers did not perform well if they are in a classroom of students who are not performing well. They get dinged for their performance and they eventually quit.

Whenever, a teacher moves from a school with a magnet program to a W school they think that they are poaching talent from the magnet programs. Not true. Most of the times the worst teachers are chased away from poor performing schools by being given some "non-magnet" classes to teach. They then turn up at the W schools. This is sad and true.

Parents need to make their displeasure very clear about the incompetent teachers. They need to document and collectively sign a petition to get the teacher replaced. They need to get permission from the school and take turns to sit in and observe the classroom. They also need to ask for the curriculum. resources, lesson structure (plans), assignments and scoring rubrics that goes with each unit. Theoretically, the PYP, MYP, IB framework requires these things to be documented. First lodge complaints, start a petition etc. Next observe and document.

Pyle has changed a lot in the last five years. Many great teachers left for other schools. Pyle no longer draws the experienced good teachers for reasons that have been discussed in other threads.

This is such a myth. A couple good teachers moved or retired but the teachers who have been leaving for the most part are the ones getting leaned on by leadership for not doing their jobs. This is especially true in World Studies and Special Education.

Wrong. It took years to get rid of those world studies and special ed teachers. There are still some really bad ones there, including teachers in other departments. I’m all for getting rid of terrible teachers. But unfortunately the school lost way too many fantastic ones.

Name one that left for reasons other than retirement or moving away that was really good. The teachers I've seen leave have almost all been folks anyone with any sense would be glad to see go.

I don’t like to name names on DCUM, because I worry someone will then tear those teachers down. but I promise you many, many excellent teachers have left in the last five years. Do you work at Pyle? If you did you would know it’s true.

Name a teacher or it didn't happen.

Hi, Pyle administrator!