Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

Private school parents pay for public school too. And they pay a lot more than most.

Private school parents do not pay a lot more than most for public school through taxes. In absolutely numbers, working class people pay more as there are more of them. Your individual tax payment is a drop in the bucket in the city budget. Your payment is much closer to the individual payment of a working class person than it is to the receipts of the city’s top taxpayers (they aren’t individuals). Get over yourself. You aren’t that rich, you aren’t that smart.

They are the type to say “we pay the bills around here”. No, you just pay your kid’s tuition. That’s like someone who pays tuition at Harvard saying they pay the bills around Harvard. You don’t pay the teacher’s salary, your tuition is less than the lowest paid teacher.

You and PP need a quick lesson in simple math (obviously public school education). A tax payer who makes $1M (and many private school parents do) has an average effective tax rate of about 10%. A person with an income of $150k (MC) has an effective tax rate of 8%. DC uses approximately 20% of tax revenue for public schools. So the private school parents pays 20k/yr for your kid to go to school and the MC person pays $2400. So, yeah, rich people are already subsidizing your kids. Stop whining and wanting more money from us. And YES I’m absolutely voting for vouchers because I’d rather get a discount to send my kid to private school than pay for your kids.

20k is less than the cost of one pupil in DCPS. Paying less than cost of one pupil in DCPS is not footing the bill. Go check the multi billion dollar total budget of DCPS. 20k is a drop in the bucket.

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

How do people not recognize that this is a troll? This form has a notorious troll and I would be willing to bet big money that this is the same troll again.

Somehow the OP is the troll, and all the parents posting snarky comments are the victims.

I never said the parents are victims. The OP’s question wasn’t genuine though. It’s a ridiculous question design with the sole goal of making private school parents defensive. Yawn.

Poor private schools parents. They are so naive that they need your help to spot a troll.

Sigh. I’m bored by the troll and the resulting discussion. You’re the one who keeps asserting the “ poor private school parents” theme. Going from past discussions, my guess is that you’re the op trying to keep the debate going. I wish you would find better things to do with your time. Singing off for good now because I do have better things to do with my time.

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

You again?

Private schools have tuition. I don't know why you don't think you're going to see fewer students from lower income groups at them. Are you new to planet earth as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools are dependent upon tuition and philanthropy, not taxpayer dollars. How would OP propose funding a private school in a manner substantially differently than the current method? Around 25% of students receive financial aid, largely through the philanthropy of other parents and legacy endowments. The only way to be economically more inclusive would be to grow the financial aid pool, reduce tuition (though tuition only covers 80-90% of the cost at most schools) or sprinkle fairy dust.

I think what OP is pointing out is the hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy here. They're not free. They do offer scholarships. It really isn't that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

It's weird to me that full-pay parents think that they are paying for "charity." No, you're not. You're paying the price set by the school for tuition. The school then budgets the whole pool of money as it sees fit. The school has determined that offering some amount of FA is in its best interest, for whatever reason: attracting more applicants and smarter kids, or fulfilling its founder's mission, or good PR, or whatever. But it's the school's money to spend, not yours. And schools generally don't give FA out of the goodness of their hearts; they do it because it serves the school in some way.

It's just like paying for a car, and then the dealership decides to sponsor the local Little League team or endow a scholarship or whatever.

These schools fund raise specifically for their financial aid program. They collect donations for financial aid. It is charity. It is only possible because of the generosity of large donors. These financial aid programs would not exist without it. The financial aid budgets are enormous however that money could be reallocated in a way that benefits all students rather than cherry picking a select few need-based recipients.

If you donate to a fundraiser specifically for FA, then you really can't complain that you don't agree with giving FA. Don't donate to those fundraisers if it bothers you. That's different from tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools are dependent upon tuition and philanthropy, not taxpayer dollars. How would OP propose funding a private school in a manner substantially differently than the current method? Around 25% of students receive financial aid, largely through the philanthropy of other parents and legacy endowments. The only way to be economically more inclusive would be to grow the financial aid pool, reduce tuition (though tuition only covers 80-90% of the cost at most schools) or sprinkle fairy dust.

I think what OP is pointing out is the hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy here. They're not free. They do offer scholarships. It really isn't that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

How do people not recognize that this is a troll? This form has a notorious troll and I would be willing to bet big money that this is the same troll again.

Somehow the OP is the troll, and all the parents posting snarky comments are the victims.

I never said the parents are victims. The OP’s question wasn’t genuine though. It’s a ridiculous question design with the sole goal of making private school parents defensive. Yawn.

Poor private schools parents. They are so naive that they need your help to spot a troll.

Sigh. I’m bored by the troll and the resulting discussion. You’re the one who keeps asserting the “ poor private school parents” theme. Going from past discussions, my guess is that you’re the op trying to keep the debate going. I wish you would find better things to do with your time. Singing off for good now because I do have better things to do with my time.

We will totally miss you.

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If we can't have socioeconomic segregation then why even be rich? Takes a lot of the fun out of it. If I'm up in my hot air balloon, I don't wanted to be surrounded by a bunch of poor folk up in *their* air balloons.

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Anonymous wrote:If we can't have socioeconomic segregation then why even be rich? Takes a lot of the fun out of it. If I'm up in my hot air balloon, I don't wanted to be surrounded by a bunch of poor folk up in *their* air balloons.

Of course. There is a lot fun in looking at poor kids that can’t join a private school.

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Anonymous wrote:If we can't have socioeconomic segregation then why even be rich? Takes a lot of the fun out of it. If I'm up in my hot air balloon, I don't wanted to be surrounded by a bunch of poor folk up in *their* air balloons.

Of course. There is a lot fun in looking at poor kids that can’t join a private school.

I can't even see them from up here.

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

How do people not recognize that this is a troll? This form has a notorious troll and I would be willing to bet big money that this is the same troll again.

Somehow the OP is the troll, and all the parents posting snarky comments are the victims.

I never said the parents are victims. The OP’s question wasn’t genuine though. It’s a ridiculous question design with the sole goal of making private school parents defensive. Yawn.

Poor private schools parents. They are so naive that they need your help to spot a troll.

Sigh. I’m bored by the troll and the resulting discussion. You’re the one who keeps asserting the “ poor private school parents” theme. Going from past discussions, my guess is that you’re the op trying to keep the debate going. I wish you would find better things to do with your time. Singing off for good now because I do have better things to do with my time.

My guess is that the post was made by someone from a particular socioeconomic group, which they feel has been elevated above a second socioeconomic group.

They just can’t understand why some schools have so many kids from the second socioeconomic group, but they can’t get their kids in. That second group is beneath them.

Not sure what group the poster is from. However. I have a good idea who the second socioeconomic group is.

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

How do people not recognize that this is a troll? This form has a notorious troll and I would be willing to bet big money that this is the same troll again.

Somehow the OP is the troll, and all the parents posting snarky comments are the victims.

I never said the parents are victims. The OP’s question wasn’t genuine though. It’s a ridiculous question design with the sole goal of making private school parents defensive. Yawn.

Poor private schools parents. They are so naive that they need your help to spot a troll.

Sigh. I’m bored by the troll and the resulting discussion. You’re the one who keeps asserting the “ poor private school parents” theme. Going from past discussions, my guess is that you’re the op trying to keep the debate going. I wish you would find better things to do with your time. Singing off for good now because I do have better things to do with my time.

My guess is that the post was made by someone from a particular socioeconomic group, which they feel has been elevated above a second socioeconomic group.

They just can’t understand why some schools have so many kids from the second socioeconomic group, but they can’t get their kids in. That second group is beneath them.

Not sure what group the poster is from. However. I have a good idea who the second socioeconomic group is.

My guess is that this parent comes from a high-income socioeconomic group and thinks they are part of the top 1 percent, but they are not. They look down on middle-class families because their income is lower, and they do not have anything better to do than write irrelevant posts on a forum that no one reads.

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Indeed, the whole thing is confusing. This whole issue of racial diversity seems more like a corporate image exercise than a genuine commitment. Why do schools rarely provide aid to low-income families? Not a lot of aid, but at least to a few students. I think that their approach is extremely hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

How do people not recognize that this is a troll? This form has a notorious troll and I would be willing to bet big money that this is the same troll again.

Somehow the OP is the troll, and all the parents posting snarky comments are the victims.

I never said the parents are victims. The OP’s question wasn’t genuine though. It’s a ridiculous question design with the sole goal of making private school parents defensive. Yawn.

Poor private schools parents. They are so naive that they need your help to spot a troll.

Sigh. I’m bored by the troll and the resulting discussion. You’re the one who keeps asserting the “ poor private school parents” theme. Going from past discussions, my guess is that you’re the op trying to keep the debate going. I wish you would find better things to do with your time. Singing off for good now because I do have better things to do with my time.

Apparently, you don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools are dependent upon tuition and philanthropy, not taxpayer dollars. How would OP propose funding a private school in a manner substantially differently than the current method? Around 25% of students receive financial aid, largely through the philanthropy of other parents and legacy endowments. The only way to be economically more inclusive would be to grow the financial aid pool, reduce tuition (though tuition only covers 80-90% of the cost at most schools) or sprinkle fairy dust.

I think what OP is pointing out is the hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy here. They're not free. They do offer scholarships. It really isn't that complicated.

Of course there is. Scrub the websites of all rhetoric about an inclusive and diverse community dedicated to social justice and update all the photos to reflect the actual diversity. Then you can talk.