Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care at all about this specific guy and think his domestic issues alone are enough to convince me he’s a terrible person.

But that is not the point. The law is the point. And the law was clearly and repeatedly violated here with his removal. And it’s shocking how many people are defending that.

This.

If Trump can remove due process for migrants and declare anyone an illegal immigrant terrorist on his word alone, without needing to prove it, then he has removed due process for *all of us*, not just migrants.

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being an undocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

You made that up entirely. Burke said he is imprisoning them because we are paying him. He lives in reality instead of fake facts the way you do.

Reality is not whatever thing you say at any moment. You do not control it with your imagination. Neither does President Trump, as he keeps finding out, over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being anundocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

There were 23 Salvadorans, including Abrego Garcia, on his flight. None of them received due process so the only “evidence” of gang membership or any other wrongdoing was the say-so of American authorities. 90% of the individuals on that flight had no U.S. criminal record beyond immigration or traffic violations. ​So basically one dictator sent a plain full of people to another dictator’s jail and neither dictator gave them due process.

No criminal record except……. lol. That’s like saying your spouse never cheated, other than that one time.

The supreme court disagrees with you and with the assertion that just being undocumented is a criminal offense. It is not, despite the rhetoric from the right that falsely asserts it.

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being anundocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

There were 23 Salvadorans, including Abrego Garcia, on his flight. None of them received due process so the only “evidence” of gang membership or any other wrongdoing was the say-so of American authorities. 90% of the individuals on that flight had no U.S. criminal record beyond immigration or traffic violations. ​So basically one dictator sent a plain full of people to another dictator’s jail and neither dictator gave them due process.

No criminal record except……. lol. That’s like saying your spouse never cheated, other than that one time.

I'll add to PPs point that many were in the US legally. I will repeat, many of the deported Venezuelans entered the US LEGALLY. They were awaiting a LEGAL asylum hearing LEGALLY. There is no violation of any kind. Can you please address the imprisonment and deportation to a third country of these particular individuals, without changing the subject?

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being anundocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

There were 23 Salvadorans, including Abrego Garcia, on his flight. None of them received due process so the only “evidence” of gang membership or any other wrongdoing was the say-so of American authorities. 90% of the individuals on that flight had no U.S. criminal record beyond immigration or traffic violations. ​So basically one dictator sent a plain full of people to another dictator’s jail and neither dictator gave them due process.

No criminal record except……. lol. That’s like saying your spouse never cheated, other than that one time.

Being present in the U.S. without legal status is not a criminal offense; it’s a civil violation subject to deportation proceedings under immigration law. Traffic violations are not criminal. I have had traffic violations. Am I a criminal?

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It’s hard to know if some of the responses are trolls or if they’re not bright enough to understand nuances. What is meant by due process. That not all illegal = criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know if some of the responses are trolls or if they’re not bright enough to understand nuances. What is meant by due process. That not all illegal = criminal.

For sure some are trolls, but the brainwashing that is occurring in MAGA world regarding the deportations/renditions to El Salvador is really strong right now. Trump knows this is a key issue for him and he's not going to back down. I recognize the same language from MAGA trolls on this thread that I hear/read in the MAGA media. The MAGA media is very good at repeating the same things over and over until they become reality for MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know if some of the responses are trolls or if they’re not bright enough to understand nuances. What is meant by due process. That not all illegal = criminal.

For sure some are trolls, but the brainwashing that is occurring in MAGA world regarding the deportations/renditions to El Salvador is really strong right now. Trump knows this is a key issue for him and he's not going to back down. I recognize the same language from MAGA trolls on this thread that I hear/read in the MAGA media. The MAGA media is very good at repeating the same things over and over until they become reality for MAGA.

DP. I agree with you, but I also want to point out that MAGA online and very noisy, they all talk to each other and reinforce each other. But they don't realize it's the same handful of people talking to each other, they are few and they are only convincing themselves, no one else. Even Republican politicians are getting hounded by their constituents. They can pretend that their naysayers are paid by the other side but they know that longtime red people are deeply unhappy with them.

So whioe a handful of the terminally online MAGA want to deport people without due process, numerically, that's only a very small number of people who actually want that. And they have lost at the Supreme Court.

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The issue with the hardliner trolls is that they repeat so many untrue and unacceptable things so much, that you can’t convince normies that those things are not true anymore.

I literally quoted the Supreme Court to someone about the illegality of sending people to foreign prisons without due process and all I got was… “rapists and gangsters, baaaah, baaaaha”. By that metric we should send Donald to CECOT.

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being anundocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

There were 23 Salvadorans, including Abrego Garcia, on his flight. None of them received due process so the only “evidence” of gang membership or any other wrongdoing was the say-so of American authorities. 90% of the individuals on that flight had no U.S. criminal record beyond immigration or traffic violations. ​So basically one dictator sent a plain full of people to another dictator’s jail and neither dictator gave them due process.

No criminal record except……. lol. That’s like saying your spouse never cheated, other than that one time.

Being present in the U.S. without legal status is not a criminal offense; it’s a civil violation subject to deportation proceedings under immigration law. Traffic violations are not criminal. I have had traffic violations. Am I a criminal?

There is a separate law that all aliens must register with the government.

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Anonymous wrote:If El Salvador does not want to release their citizen, be mad at El Salvador. The USA has zero jurisdiction at this point.

The Us has hired El salvador to imprison these people. They have every power to pull someone back. I guess you are saying Trump is too weak to do it.

The Us is not paying for his imprisonment. The US has a contract with ES for members of the Venezuelan Tren de Arugua gang - not El Salvador citizens deemed MS13.

But all of that totally misses the point!! So what if he’s a MS13 member?

Was just listening this morning to NPR and they were crystal about the real issue which is he didnt get due diligence.

Repeating it does not make it true. He had 2 hearings and lost both. Is that not due diligence? How many chances should he get?

It’s regurgitated talking points from people who aren’t following the case and simply have an anti Trump agenda.

Neither of the PP’s are correct.

He had a hearing and was granted a “withholding of removal”. That was the last hearing he had! Those words mean that there was a court order FORBIDDING the government from sending him to El Salvador. Let’s stop debating the eff up, as it’s already been admitted but the administration.

You can argue that it’s out of our hands now if you want, but that makes you an evil SOB.

Please tell us how to force his return if El Salvador says no. If El Salvador wanted him returned, he’d be here.

. Plenty of ways to persuade but in the end it IS there choice which is why we should never have sent ANYONE there. wtf are we doing by sending people to foreign prisons that don’t even meet the basic standards of international law???? What country is this??

Generally we send illegal El Salvadorans back to… El Salvador. Their own country. This isn’t rocket science.

DP. The Salvadorans on Garcia’s flight did not have criminal records nor were they charged with anything. Why were they sent straight to a prison? If it was a matter of just repatriating them, they could have been released at the main airport in El Salvador. Being an undocumented migrant in the US does not make you “illegal” in El Salvador.

Bukele is the president and wants him in prison because he thinks he has MS-13 ties. They are way more hardcore about eradicating gangs and crime than we are here and Bukele has the results to back it up. He took ES from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to a relatively safe country in the span of several years.

You made that up entirely. Burke said he is imprisoning them because we are paying him. He lives in reality instead of fake facts the way you do.

Reality is not whatever thing you say at any moment. You do not control it with your imagination. Neither does President Trump, as he keeps finding out, over and over.

No, Bukele didn't say that.

Reportedly the deal is about Venezuelans. US Government in court said they are not paying for Garcia to be in prison.

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The lawyers? Does he mean DOJ?

DOJ has more power than the president? I hate to break it to him, but DOJ is in favor of following the law (all of them except for maybe Bondi and Mizelle, and really probably only Mizrlle).

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Anonymous wrote:He is not innocent. He was part of MS-13. It looks like the FBI may have had a long term sting, as reportedly Tennessee police let him go on instructions from the FBI,

Jeffrey Dahmer was very obviously not innocent, starting with the discovery of body parts in his apartment, but he got his day in court. That's how it works here.

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Somebody should tell Erez Reuvani that. After they unfire him.