This is going badly

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

The way to address the disparities are to 1) raise wages, which the democrats did and 2) tax reform, which, you know, that CoVID thing was in the way before the GOP took the House back, so there wasn't really a chance. Meanwhile under W and trump the wealth gap has grown 10 fold.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

Hmm.....I thought the first term was pretty horrific I'm always surprised when people say they thought it went well. And if his presidency didn't make you uncomfortable January 6th and his closest confidents all speaking out against him should have made you realize exactly wh he was planning-it will make his first term look like nothing. Buckle up because he's here for revenge.

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Anonymous wrote:It would take a handful of republicans in the House and senate to end this before tomorrow morning.

Alas.

I don’t think it’s as hopeless as you think. The hits are adding up. People I know who live outside of DC and voted for Trump, did not vote for this. They’re losing jobs and worrying about how to find work. The hat trick the project 2025 people want to perform was not on the ballot, and most people would never vote for it. The 18% that are falling for it, are untouchable koolaid drinkers, but the rest aren’t.

what did they vote for then? racism and xenophobia?

No, they thought he would be better for the red state economies. That’s not working out at all.

I don’t get this. He’s doing exactly what he said he’d do.

No he’s not. Project 2025 was not on the ballot. He disavowed it. Those of us inside the beltway knew he was FOS but his voters didn’t believe he was going to do this. They figured he’d deport some people and lower their taxes, ease some regulation. Not decimate the world economy, create global instability, and try to be a dictator.

It was totally obvious what would happen if he was elected. Now we are all porked bc people are idiots.

Obvious to you and me yeah. I think calling his voters idiots, isn’t really hitting the mark. Sometimes people in DC really forget how little regular people have to think about the things we do.

Well perhaps they should put some real thought into who should be our president or otherwise abstain from voting.

Just not thinking about it and then showing up at the polls for the first time in four years because a very obvious con man rapist tells you he’ll magically make egg prices go down and get rid of brown people is the height of selfishness and stupidity.

They should either educate themselves or let the intelligent people handle the politics. Now we have a reality show of a government. Literally. We’ve got a Real World star as a cabinet pick. Wtf.

MAGA are intellectually lazy and assumed there’d be smart adults to keep Trump from going off the rails so they could continue to be amused by his crazy antics and bashing the libs. They didn’t treat our democracy and due process as something to value and protect. At this point I view them as traitors to America.

Yup all the adults left the building after his first disaster of a presidency-now we have all yes men and women.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

Canadian PP here. My point was that the constant lying means here is someone who lacks personal integrity- who doesn't believe honesty is important.

Here is someone you cannot trust because he lacks personal integrity.

On top of lack of personal integrity, here is someone who has never once shown any kindness or compassion, and instead has shown the complete opposite - he's shown repeatedly that he can be cruel and vindictive, and uncaring.

Why would you elect someone like this to lead your country?

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

No. He lied about thousands of things, all documented. Stop with the false equivalency.

And Democrats, for the last forty-plus years, are the ones who have cleaned up after Republican presidents repeatedly tanked the economy. And we sure as didn’t do anything approaching the disaster Trump is willfully leading us into.

You voted for this and now you’re looking to ease your guilt. Suck it up, buttercup.

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They all lie. Some are just more easily caught than others. Politics is basically sales x 10000. You can't succeed in politics without subterfuge and that applies to Obama, FDR, every damn POTUS that ever was. It's a game. That doesn't mean every lie is evil it just means a lot happens without consent. It's not the lying that's the sin, it's the how, why, when, etc.

Trump actually doesn't lie about his actions politically, he lies about everything else though so I think it may be worse

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

Canadian PP here. My point was that the constant lying means here is someone who lacks personal integrity- who doesn't believe honesty is important.

Here is someone you cannot trust because he lacks personal integrity.

On top of lack of personal integrity, here is someone who has never once shown any kindness or compassion, and instead has shown the complete opposite - he's shown repeatedly that he can be cruel and vindictive, and uncaring.

Why would you elect someone like this to lead your country?

But sales is about selling not just the product but the fantasy about what it can be. Trump sold that to enough angry not so smart people and it worked. You assume we Americans are sane, reasonable, even keeled people who are thoughtful and civil. We are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

American here, been wondering the same. J6 should have made it crystal clear and it should have been the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

Canadian PP here. My point was that the constant lying means here is someone who lacks personal integrity- who doesn't believe honesty is important.

Here is someone you cannot trust because he lacks personal integrity.

On top of lack of personal integrity, here is someone who has never once shown any kindness or compassion, and instead has shown the complete opposite - he's shown repeatedly that he can be cruel and vindictive, and uncaring.

Why would you elect someone like this to lead your country?

My personal opinion is that many Trump voters like that he is a racist bully.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

No. He lied about thousands of things, all documented. Stop with the false equivalency.

And Democrats, for the last forty-plus years, are the ones who have cleaned up after Republican presidents repeatedly tanked the economy. And we sure as didn’t do anything approaching the disaster Trump is willfully leading us into.

You voted for this and now you’re looking to ease your guilt. Suck it up, buttercup.

+1 and you screwed us all with that vote buttercup.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

American here, been wondering the same. J6 should have made it crystal clear and it should have been the end.

Every Democrat that has a history of playing ball with Trump needs to be primaried.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

But aren’t you supposed to be against slavery?

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

Let me point out a key feature of your post that you are probably unaware of:
When you mention the Democratic party you clearly call them “democrats” which means a broad coalition of individuals that all form one party in order to compromise and work together to govern our country. The party platform is what represents us all, not some singular action by an individual who happens to claim party loyalty.!

On the other hand, when you mention “Trump”you are talking about a single individual who has zero cohesive policy ideas and who does not listen to anyone who may have more experience than him.

That about sums up our current situation. Democrats are real humans with a diverse set of beliefs who are willing to govern as best as they can….as a group.

The republican party doesn’t even exist. You are talking about about a POTUS who has no consistent platform and who changes his kind by the minute. There is no republican party anymore. Just a Trump cult.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m genuinely curious. When he said this was what he would do, did you not believe him?

OP here. Sort of. A lot of this is stuff that I knew he'd find appealing, but the guy says a lot of stuff that isn't true-- mexico paying for it and all that. Plus, for all his faults, I did think that he was sort of correct in his complaint that he was constantly stymied in his first term by entrenched power structures that hated him and thought he was a joke. Tbh, I still think that. The fact that a huge share of the country called themselves the Resistance-- as though they were standing up to tanks in the streets of 1968 Prague-- was sort of absurd, and I thought it was revealing that so many members of our social elite were like "yeah, that's a reasonable thing to do."

This time though it seems different. It seems like he's able to do a lot more of the stuff he said he'd do. But he's also not doing some of the better stuff he said he would. So from my vantage point, a big vibe I got from his campaign was that he would be pragmatic and approach even some Dems to high-level positions (which he did, I guess) and avoid weapon using the justice system. The hardcore small-government shtick and the EOs though all seem like he's just out for blood.

With all due respect OP, WTF?!?
Sounds like you’ve been conned. Some call it narcissistic abuse. He got you.

Wake up to reality- sounds like you might be. I am not at all surprised by anything he’s doing. It’s classic textbook narcissistic behavior coupled with immense power. He made it clear that he idolizes harsh dictators and that his goal is to become one. He was VERY clear about that on the campaign trail. He doesn’t care about anyone else, not even his own family. He certainly doesn’t are about any of his voters. They will all pay dearly for their support.
Those who voted Harris will dislike you because you voted to bring misery and ruin to us and the country (and yourself). Sorry OP, but not voting for Harris was basically a vote for Trump so you are complicit to the downfall of yourself, your family, your neighbors and the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Canadian here. What we are bewildered by is how anyone could think that someone with a history of lying over and over and over and over and over again, of throwing people under the bus to save his skin, of being petty, spiteful, and cruel; someone who has never displayed an ounce of compassion, empathy, or kindness — how on earth could you think he would make a good leader?

There is a sizable number of Americans who don't understand it either. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible person. And an incompetent POTUS. It makes no sense whatsoever to cast a vote for him. None. Zero. Zip. It's like we are all in the Upside Down.

He may or may not have lied about many things. The tariffs however, he was not lying about.

Contrast that with Democrats who you know are politicians after all and lied about many things. Take for example recycling. As it turns out, you can't recycle plastic. However, they did nothing when it came to their progressive economic agenda and class disparities. So, there is the basic reasoning. Trump has done some things (big things) that he said he was going to do that we liked.

Haha. What? This is the card you chose to play?