Another day, another school shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Though I'm a gun-owning Texan, the NRA is not welcome here

As the group returns for its annual convention, it does nothing but showcase a billion-dollar marketing campaign peddling paranoia and fantasies.
Steven KlingAustin American-Statesman

This week, the National Rifle Association will, once again, host its convention in Texas and, once again, attempt to overstate its influence. After years of being crippled by corruption—drowning in multiple lawsuits, losing millions of members, and forcing out its scandal-ridden CEO Wayne LaPierre—the NRA comes limping back to the Lone Star State to lick its wounds.

As a veteran, fifth generation Texan, and GIFFORDS Gun Owner for Safety, I'm telling the NRA that they're not welcome here.

In Texas, we don't hide from the truth. And the truth is that the NRA has long-ago hijacked gun culture, and its convention does nothing but showcase the gun industry’s billion-dollar marketing campaigns that peddle paranoia and irresponsible fantasies.

I know responsible gun ownership. Like many Texans, I grew up around firearms. When I served as a commander of an Army Reserve small arms training company, the safe handling and storage of firearms was my job.

Putting the safety of our fellow service members and our communities above our own lives was a core value in the military. The NRA spits on that value by pushing a purely selfish message of the individual above all else: “rights'' with no regard to responsibilities. It’s offensive to those of us who actually have protected Americans and defended our freedoms.

Today, America faces an enemy within: the for-profit gun lobby and the politicians in its pocket. Since the beginning of this century alone, we have lost more American lives to gun violence than all of our nation's wars combined.

The NRA claims to be “the longest-standing civil rights organization,” with lofty talk of defending the 2nd Amendment and “freedom.” But the NRA sold the freedoms and safety of our communities in exchange for corporate profits a long time ago. Americans cannot pursue happiness while looking over their shoulders and planning escape routes.

This is no way to live, and we don't have to. Yet Governor Greg Abbott has only passed legislation that has made gun violence worse.

Abbott signed permitless carry into law, which allows any untrained person to carry a loaded gun in public with no background check. Under his governorship, gun deaths have surged by more than 60%. In 2022, 4,630 Texans died due to gun violence according to the CDC.

It's not for a lack of demand that the GOP supermajority in the Texas legislature won't pass gun safety laws. A vast majority of Texans—and Texas gun owners—want commonsense gun safety laws. Almost 80% of Texans support mandatory background checks on all gun sales, including 70% of Republicans. Over 70% of Texas voters support requiring gun purchasers to be 21 years old, and 72% support red flag laws that help concerned family members temporarily keep guns away from those who may harm themselves or others.

I know Texans want to protect our children in schools. The outrage after the tragic school shooting in Uvalde shook the conscience of Congress to take action.

I’ve also met some who think this is a futile fight, that a safer future is too far out of reach. To them, I say: Do not back down now.

I'm a senior ambassador for Giffords Gun Owners for Safety, a coalition of the national gun violence prevention organization founded by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. After she survived an assassination attempt where she was shot in the head, she started to organize survivors —Republicans, Democrats, Independents, gun owners, advocates—because she knows we all want our children and communities to be safe. She didn’t back down. We can’t either.

As the NRA hosts its convention in Dallas, we're launching Giffords Texas to go toe-to-toe with the gun lobby. When the merchants of despair and death come to Texas, we must show that they will find no home here.

Kling is a decorated combat veteran and fifth-generation Texan. As senior ambassador for GIFFORDS Gun Owners for Safety, he advocates against the for-profit gun lobby and for popular, commonsense gun safety laws.

+1 Good practical actions that could take place if there were political will.

I am not a gun owner, but I have family that do own guns, and they live in Texas. My family members are like the PP. They believe that gun ownership shoudl be allowed, but that there need to be reasonable restrictions to protect the public. They support licensing like driver's licensing. They support requirements for secure gun storage. Background checks. And red flag laws so that those that have mental health flags should be denied gun purchases until such time as they are cleared by mental health professionals.

The first step is to continue the battle against the NRA. For many years, there have been lawsuits that have cost the NRA a ton of money and forced them to spend money on defending their actions rather than lobbying for luxury and rampant gun ownership. Between the lawsuits and the embezzlement of the leadership, the NRA has had to file for bankruptcy. They tried to move out of New York state to Texas to try and get more lenient treatment for their bankruptcy, but that failed. We need the NRA to truly go bankrupt and then we can finally get their insidious lobbying eliminated so that real discussion of real gun control that can help to actually make change to gun culture so that guns can be held more safely for the public. The NRA has been the true criminal for many years, breaking up any discussions of true gun control change that will allow legal gun use, but also regulate it for safety.

The NRA is on its last legs and hopefully will collapse soon. Then real and productive change can finally start to occur.

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Another white male child with unaddressed mental illness kills innocent people living their lives. With an assault weapon.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

I didn't think I needed to have a PhD in guns in order to convince you that mass shooting of school kids (and toddlers) should not be enabled.

Some posters are just babbling word salad because they can't explain why they object to common gun safety measures that 90% of the population thinks is a good idea. It's the NRA with the blood on their hands (and their staff, many of whom live in our DMV area).

Gun laws won’t do a damn thing. Criminals will always find a way to commit crimes. We will become the next London with knife crimes.

Restricting access to a rifle doesn’t make sense when most shootings are done with a handgun.

I'm so sick of hearing this. By this logic, why bother with laws against anything? Criminals will just break them. The threshold for laws isn't "must prevent 100% of crimes."

+1 Why bother with laws about B&E since that doesn't seem to stop burglars; why bother with DUI laws since there are still hundreds if not thousands of DUI related deaths per year?

Why have any laws? Let's just be the wild wild west again where people settle matters with guns.

+1 Republicans like to claim that Democrats are soft on crime but block actions to prevent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Though I'm a gun-owning Texan, the NRA is not welcome here

As the group returns for its annual convention, it does nothing but showcase a billion-dollar marketing campaign peddling paranoia and fantasies.
Steven KlingAustin American-Statesman

This week, the National Rifle Association will, once again, host its convention in Texas and, once again, attempt to overstate its influence. After years of being crippled by corruption—drowning in multiple lawsuits, losing millions of members, and forcing out its scandal-ridden CEO Wayne LaPierre—the NRA comes limping back to the Lone Star State to lick its wounds.

As a veteran, fifth generation Texan, and GIFFORDS Gun Owner for Safety, I'm telling the NRA that they're not welcome here.

In Texas, we don't hide from the truth. And the truth is that the NRA has long-ago hijacked gun culture, and its convention does nothing but showcase the gun industry’s billion-dollar marketing campaigns that peddle paranoia and irresponsible fantasies.

I know responsible gun ownership. Like many Texans, I grew up around firearms. When I served as a commander of an Army Reserve small arms training company, the safe handling and storage of firearms was my job.

Putting the safety of our fellow service members and our communities above our own lives was a core value in the military. The NRA spits on that value by pushing a purely selfish message of the individual above all else: “rights'' with no regard to responsibilities. It’s offensive to those of us who actually have protected Americans and defended our freedoms.

Today, America faces an enemy within: the for-profit gun lobby and the politicians in its pocket. Since the beginning of this century alone, we have lost more American lives to gun violence than all of our nation's wars combined.

The NRA claims to be “the longest-standing civil rights organization,” with lofty talk of defending the 2nd Amendment and “freedom.” But the NRA sold the freedoms and safety of our communities in exchange for corporate profits a long time ago. Americans cannot pursue happiness while looking over their shoulders and planning escape routes.

This is no way to live, and we don't have to. Yet Governor Greg Abbott has only passed legislation that has made gun violence worse.

Abbott signed permitless carry into law, which allows any untrained person to carry a loaded gun in public with no background check. Under his governorship, gun deaths have surged by more than 60%. In 2022, 4,630 Texans died due to gun violence according to the CDC.

It's not for a lack of demand that the GOP supermajority in the Texas legislature won't pass gun safety laws. A vast majority of Texans—and Texas gun owners—want commonsense gun safety laws. Almost 80% of Texans support mandatory background checks on all gun sales, including 70% of Republicans. Over 70% of Texas voters support requiring gun purchasers to be 21 years old, and 72% support red flag laws that help concerned family members temporarily keep guns away from those who may harm themselves or others.

I know Texans want to protect our children in schools. The outrage after the tragic school shooting in Uvalde shook the conscience of Congress to take action.

I’ve also met some who think this is a futile fight, that a safer future is too far out of reach. To them, I say: Do not back down now.

I'm a senior ambassador for Giffords Gun Owners for Safety, a coalition of the national gun violence prevention organization founded by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. After she survived an assassination attempt where she was shot in the head, she started to organize survivors —Republicans, Democrats, Independents, gun owners, advocates—because she knows we all want our children and communities to be safe. She didn’t back down. We can’t either.

As the NRA hosts its convention in Dallas, we're launching Giffords Texas to go toe-to-toe with the gun lobby. When the merchants of despair and death come to Texas, we must show that they will find no home here.

Kling is a decorated combat veteran and fifth-generation Texan. As senior ambassador for GIFFORDS Gun Owners for Safety, he advocates against the for-profit gun lobby and for popular, commonsense gun safety laws.

+1 Good practical actions that could take place if there were political will.

I am not a gun owner, but I have family that do own guns, and they live in Texas. My family members are like the PP. They believe that gun ownership shoudl be allowed, but that there need to be reasonable restrictions to protect the public. They support licensing like driver's licensing. They support requirements for secure gun storage. Background checks. And red flag laws so that those that have mental health flags should be denied gun purchases until such time as they are cleared by mental health professionals.

The first step is to continue the battle against the NRA. For many years, there have been lawsuits that have cost the NRA a ton of money and forced them to spend money on defending their actions rather than lobbying for luxury and rampant gun ownership. Between the lawsuits and the embezzlement of the leadership, the NRA has had to file for bankruptcy. They tried to move out of New York state to Texas to try and get more lenient treatment for their bankruptcy, but that failed. We need the NRA to truly go bankrupt and then we can finally get their insidious lobbying eliminated so that real discussion of real gun control that can help to actually make change to gun culture so that guns can be held more safely for the public. The NRA has been the true criminal for many years, breaking up any discussions of true gun control change that will allow legal gun use, but also regulate it for safety.

The NRA is on its last legs and hopefully will collapse soon. Then real and productive change can finally start to occur.

I meant to add this link. A good recap of finally ridding ourselves of the violence mongering lobbying group:

https://nrawatch.org/report/the-continued-decline-of-the-nra/

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

Those parents are stupid and negligent.

[Anonymous]

104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You have an odd perception of risk, but my kids aren't into drugs and alcohol so perhaps your concerns are different. I get shelter in place notices from my kid's school pretty regularly.

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Anonymous wrote:What I find funny is how many democrats vote for policies that destroy our communities and make them less safe. Let’s be real. Democrats want to take away guns to make communities less safe and put people in danger. It’s happening with no cash bail systems and lax laws. Democrat judges giving people weak punishments for crimes and being released back in our communities to commit more crimes.

Your fake outrage isn’t doing jack when people die by gun violence daily and no cares.

What I find funny (sad actually) is how Rs think easy access to guns somehow makes this country safer. We are more like a 3rd world country in that way.

"Weak punishments" are usually for non violent crimes.

Why do Rs think it's fine to allow people with mental illness to buy a gun?

The problem is lax policies and laws.

Switzerland, Norway, and Finland all have high gun populations but very little crime. Why is that?

They have strict gun control laws. Switzerland, for example, has banned high capacity mags.

https://theweek.com/gun-violence/1023213/why-are-mass-shootings-rare-in-other-countries-despite-high-levels-of-gun

Swiss:

Semi-automatic rifles with large magazines are banned, and people who want to purchase handguns or smaller magazine semi-automatic rifles must undergo a permitting process and send their weapon's information to the government.

Finland:

Finland has highly regulated gun control laws. Following a school shooting in 2007, Finnish Parliament raised the minimum age to purchase a gun from 15 to 18, and the prospective buyer must fill out a detailed application to receive a handling license. The interior ministry has also implemented "changes to the provisions on the storage of firearms, component parts of firearms, and cartridges," as well as additional legislation to ensure guns remain safely locked away when not in use.

They don't have loop holes like we do.

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You have an odd perception of risk, but my kids aren't into drugs and alcohol so perhaps your concerns are different. I get shelter in place notices from my kid's school pretty regularly.

I live in a low crime area. If I didn't, I would worry about the crime in general, not just in the school context. BTW I'm more worried about drunk friends than drunk kids, but isn't everyone.

How many of the shelter in place incidents related to someone with an actual gun in the school?

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You are wrong. These are the most common causes of death for minors.

1. Firearms
2. Motor vehicle accident
3. Drug overdose

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

For decades the NRA use the "hold the line" defense. They lobbied against anything that might be a slippery slope to gun controls. When they were bathing in money, they didn't care and they could invest pretty lavishly to stop anything and everything. Then the execs siphoned off millions of dollars and they got entrenched in many legal challenges. So, soon, after the NRA finally really goes bankrupt and can't get out of it, we'll finally be able to make a start on reasonable gun control that the vast majority of the nation supports (even many responsible gun owners).

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

Per the Washington Post, in a story updated just yesterday, there have been 416 school shootings since Columbine. Over 300,000 students (sum total of the population of students at those 416 schools at the time of the shooting) have been exposed to gun violence at their schools. 213 children and educators have been killed, and 464 injured.
Their accounting seems to include only elementary and secondary schools. Shootings at colleges, such as the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007 that killed 32 students and professors, aren't included in their tally.
There's been a marked increase in school shootings in the last 10-15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Start treating guns like cars. We have all of these requirements to own cars, inspections, drivers tests, and insurance. I don’t see the problem with requiring a gun safety class.

Culturally, this would never be accepted. The workaround is not to outlaw guns or ignore 2nd amendment even though I'm all for it. It's just not realistic to expect this however. No amount of disgust would impact this change and it's because this is a matter of culture not law. Laws can only change if there's buy in.

Changing ideas and minds, changing culture and laws is very hard. It's much easier to find solutions that circumvent the problem in the sense that we don't impact from it. So figure out a way for schools to defend against guns for example.

Hitting your head against the wall is basically trying to make sense of why these hun laws remain. Face it. Learn that it will likely never get changed so let's focus on defense and prevention of casualties as much as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Start treating guns like cars. We have all of these requirements to own cars, inspections, drivers tests, and insurance. I don’t see the problem with requiring a gun safety class.

Culturally, this would never be accepted. The workaround is not to outlaw guns or ignore 2nd amendment even though I'm all for it. It's just not realistic to expect this however. No amount of disgust would impact this change and it's because this is a matter of culture not law. Laws can only change if there's buy in.

Changing ideas and minds, changing culture and laws is very hard. It's much easier to find solutions that circumvent the problem in the sense that we don't impact from it. So figure out a way for schools to defend against guns for example.

Hitting your head against the wall is basically trying to make sense of why these hun laws remain. Face it. Learn that it will likely never get changed so let's focus on defense and prevention of casualties as much as possible.

Cultures change and evolve. Those that don't collapse. If you want to send your kid to a school that looks like and is staffed like a military compound, hope you are prepared to pay the taxes for that. The rest of us will try to work towards common sense gun laws that the vast majority of Americans support.