NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

Do you know how many people quit on Trump?

Keep on topic for heavens sake. This isn’t about Trump.

I am on topic. Someone implied that every not White, not man person is just there as a token and no one cares about representation anyway so I posted a pic depicting just how excited Black women were (or seemed; I’m not Black and I don’t pretend to be, unlike Republicans). Then someone else implied that she had too many people quit under her or were fired as thought that means she’s not a good person so I countered with the fact that Trump’s staff turned over like a flooded river. And somehow that’s not on topic?

I’m excited to vote for the Democrats, whoever might be at the top of my ticket. I’m old enough to smell right wing trolls posing as Democrats because the GOP doesn’t actually have a lot going for it. You nominated a loser with dementia, you were dumb enough to overturn Roe, your agendas (all three) are complete garbage and fascist as hell. You keep losing in special elections, Trump’s cavalier attitude toward covid back when it mattered most meant you killed off a good chunk of your voters (and long covid has probably continued to cull the herd) and you’re so convinced you’re going to have a landslide win and I… just think you’re off base and more than a little overconfident.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Historically?! How many nominees have been shot in the middle of a campaign?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

Someone should ask Trump’s former VP and cabinet members to set his record straight too.

You aren’t going to boost Kamala’s approval numbers by whining about Pence.

Sorry, it’s just extraordinary to me that the “liberal media” hasn’t made a bigger deal about why Trump needed a new vice presidential pick and that 41 of his 44 cabinet picks won’t endorse him.

The “liberal media” can’t stop falling over itself to lick Trump’s feet.

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are absolutely wilding with projection on this thread, wow!

If you think you have a solid ticket with say, Harris and Buttigieg then by all means, go for it.

If you want to get an idea of how the other side of the aisle is, so you can prepare accordingly, I suggest you listen.

It's the Republicans who are pushing Buttigieg. You ... knew that, didn't you?

Fascinating that you know the political leanings of every poster here! You are a mind reader!

The percentage of trolls to legit posters on the Political Forum lately is 3:1. Or worse.

Mostly defined here as anyone who goes against liberal thinking. News flash: a troll isn’t someone who disagrees with you.

I'm not a liberal and I would like to welcome honest discussion. That ain't here, lately.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Historically?! How many nominees have been shot in the middle of a campaign?

Roosevelt. And he lost.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Citation? Because, from memory, getting assassinated indeed does prevent any future election. However, of those Presidents surviving an attempt, it looks like 50/50.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

Do you know how many people quit on Trump?

Keep on topic for heavens sake. This isn’t about Trump.

I am on topic. Someone implied that every not White, not man person is just there as a token and no one cares about representation anyway so I posted a pic depicting just how excited Black women were (or seemed; I’m not Black and I don’t pretend to be, unlike Republicans). Then someone else implied that she had too many people quit under her or were fired as thought that means she’s not a good person so I countered with the fact that Trump’s staff turned over like a flooded river. And somehow that’s not on topic?

Correct, it’s not on topic when this is a thread about Biden stepping down. I know it’s hard but the “but but TRUMP!!” isnt always the answer in a discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Historically?! How many nominees have been shot in the middle of a campaign?

Roosevelt. And he lost.

So your evidence is a grand total of one other instance? Weak beyond belief.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Historically?! How many nominees have been shot in the middle of a campaign?

Roosevelt. And he lost.

What an extensive sample size to draw from! I’m sold!

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

RFK couldn’t run because he was deceased and Reagan wasn’t running at the time he was shot so where is all this historical precedent you’re pulling from?

Not PP but Gerald Ford. Twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone remembers how everyone in the press was fawning over Kamala in 2020 and her poll numbers were decent at first…and then every time she spoke or debated her poll numbers would drop like a rock until she finally exited the primaries in shame before they even started? You do remember this right? Why would 2024 be any different?

If you’re using this metric, you know that Trump actually flat out lost in 2020, right? Like if you remember that happening to Harris, and I do, and you seem to attach significance to that, then you should also attach significance to Trump being a complete loser in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

RFK couldn’t run because he was deceased and Reagan wasn’t running at the time he was shot so where is all this historical precedent you’re pulling from?

Not PP but Gerald Ford. Twice.

He was never shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

Then why did Trump win those states in 2016, despite being labeled a Nazi then as well? Biden vastly outperformed Hillary and Harris isn’t half the politician Hillary is.

Not a lot of people are going to volunteer to step up and get pummeled for their personal lives by Trump fans only to lose anyway in November. Just stick with Biden.

After getting shot and fist pumping while bloody, it’s going to be Trump no matter who the Dems run anyway. You can’t beat those primal optics.

Historically, getting shot hasn't helped a candidate. After getting shot, that is a signal that Trump will lose.

Historically?! How many nominees have been shot in the middle of a campaign?

Roosevelt. And he lost.

So your evidence is a grand total of one other instance? Weak beyond belief.

I’m not the person who said “historically,” I’m just the one who provided an answer. And yes, even one instance is historical. Not necessarily predictive, but it is historical.