S/o What the f do you all want from doctors?

[Anonymous]

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So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank god there aren't any teachers who get behind on tasks, speak abruptly, or anything like that, because then we'd be branding all the teachers on DCUM with unprofessionalism. Probably would be starting multiple threads complaining about all of them here, all the while as more and more were leaving the profession and not being easily replaced.

That would sure suck.

There are bad people in every profession. In the case of teachers/doctors the impact can be great. I still remember the two horrible teachers I had: belittling, made me cry, made me feel like an idiot. I will never get others in these profession who actually do a good/great/decent job defending the rotten eggs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

Almost like ... they are owned?

So why aren't grocers just opening up their own corner shop and then just charging the same prices as at Safeway or Aldi?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

Almost like ... they are owned?

So why aren't grocers just opening up their own corner shop and then just charging the same prices as at Safeway or Aldi?

Maybe you can do some business courses and learn about supply chains and economies of scale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank god there aren't any teachers who get behind on tasks, speak abruptly, or anything like that, because then we'd be branding all the teachers on DCUM with unprofessionalism. Probably would be starting multiple threads complaining about all of them here, all the while as more and more were leaving the profession and not being easily replaced.

That would sure suck.

There are bad people in every profession. In the case of teachers/doctors the impact can be great. I still remember the two horrible teachers I had: belittling, made me cry, made me feel like an idiot. I will never get others in these profession who actually do a good/great/decent job defending the rotten eggs.

I know, right? That's why we should all be in favor of concierge medicine. When you can't change the general profession going downhill or police what other colleagues are doing, you leave it. You don't stay there.

And medicine is just a business, so it makes perfect sense to set up the small business you can run the right way. Win-win for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

Almost like ... they are owned?

So why aren't grocers just opening up their own corner shop and then just charging the same prices as at Safeway or Aldi?

Maybe you can do some business courses and learn about supply chains and economies of scale.

Exactly! You're getting there, PP.

Now do it for the practice of medicine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

Almost like ... they are owned?

So why aren't grocers just opening up their own corner shop and then just charging the same prices as at Safeway or Aldi?

Slaves were owned, so it is offensive to use that word.

People who work for corporations (doctors or grocers) are employees who are paid for their time, and who can resign and move to another job if they wish. Slaves could not.

If you think you are owned, you should study history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

I get the feeling from this thread that some doctors feel they have the hardest most important job in the world, yet having spent so much time in school, haven't ever experienced any other kind of job.

No, of course it's not hard, and they are nothing special. It's just a regular job like any other business. A mechanic or grocer can set their own hours, turn away customers, and charge however much they want extra.

A lot of doctors agree with you. It's called concierge, PP -- haven't you been reading the thread?

We're not in 1920 with corner shops. A grocery store manager is told their hours by the corporate office. Their wages are set by head office. Prices are set by head office, and if they charge too much, all the customers head to Aldi.

Almost like ... they are owned?

So why aren't grocers just opening up their own corner shop and then just charging the same prices as at Safeway or Aldi?

Slaves were owned, so it is offensive to use that word.

People who work for corporations (doctors or grocers) are employees who are paid for their time, and who can resign and move to another job if they wish. Slaves could not.

If you think you are owned, you should study history.

"Owned" was a term used earlier in the thread. Just a callback.

It sounds like the answer to *your* post is also concierge medical practices. I take it you have no problem with that?

[Anonymous]

I had no idea so many posters were in favor of concierge medical practices.

It solves all the problems, so long as you accept that medicine is just a business and doctors' jobs aren't anything special.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank god there aren't any teachers who get behind on tasks, speak abruptly, or anything like that, because then we'd be branding all the teachers on DCUM with unprofessionalism. Probably would be starting multiple threads complaining about all of them here, all the while as more and more were leaving the profession and not being easily replaced.

That would sure suck.

There are bad people in every profession. In the case of teachers/doctors the impact can be great. I still remember the two horrible teachers I had: belittling, made me cry, made me feel like an idiot. I will never get others in these profession who actually do a good/great/decent job defending the rotten eggs.

I know, right? That's why we should all be in favor of concierge medicine. When you can't change the general profession going downhill or police what other colleagues are doing, you leave it. You don't stay there.

And medicine is just a business, so it makes perfect sense to set up the small business you can run the right way. Win-win for everyone.

No, I actually don't believe that. That's an elitist solution, like suggesting everyone with one bad public school teacher experience pay $$$$ for private even if they can't afford it. There is already an accountability process. And there is no need to "change the general profession".

[Anonymous]

How does the accountability process work, then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank god there aren't any teachers who get behind on tasks, speak abruptly, or anything like that, because then we'd be branding all the teachers on DCUM with unprofessionalism. Probably would be starting multiple threads complaining about all of them here, all the while as more and more were leaving the profession and not being easily replaced.

That would sure suck.

There are bad people in every profession. In the case of teachers/doctors the impact can be great. I still remember the two horrible teachers I had: belittling, made me cry, made me feel like an idiot. I will never get others in these profession who actually do a good/great/decent job defending the rotten eggs.

I know, right? That's why we should all be in favor of concierge medicine. When you can't change the general profession going downhill or police what other colleagues are doing, you leave it. You don't stay there.

And medicine is just a business, so it makes perfect sense to set up the small business you can run the right way. Win-win for everyone.

No, I actually don't believe that. That's an elitist solution, like suggesting everyone with one bad public school teacher experience pay $$$$ for private even if they can't afford it. There is already an accountability process. And there is no need to "change the general profession".

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does the accountability process work, then?

Yelp

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does the accountability process work, then?

Yelp

Then if the accountability process works, there really isn't any need to change anything, generally.

You should probably use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank god there aren't any teachers who get behind on tasks, speak abruptly, or anything like that, because then we'd be branding all the teachers on DCUM with unprofessionalism. Probably would be starting multiple threads complaining about all of them here, all the while as more and more were leaving the profession and not being easily replaced.

That would sure suck.

There are bad people in every profession. In the case of teachers/doctors the impact can be great. I still remember the two horrible teachers I had: belittling, made me cry, made me feel like an idiot. I will never get others in these profession who actually do a good/great/decent job defending the rotten eggs.

I know, right? That's why we should all be in favor of concierge medicine. When you can't change the general profession going downhill or police what other colleagues are doing, you leave it. You don't stay there.

And medicine is just a business, so it makes perfect sense to set up the small business you can run the right way. Win-win for everyone.

No, I actually don't believe that. That's an elitist solution, like suggesting everyone with one bad public school teacher experience pay $$$$ for private even if they can't afford it. There is already an accountability process. And there is no need to "change the general profession".

+1

Great. The get to work using the accountability process and fix it. What's the problem?