NYT story: Trump administration could strike abortion almost immediately using Comstock law

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

As a woman of childbearing age who has 2 young DDs and also had to terminate an ectopic pregnancy, any laws that restrict access to potentially life-saving medical care for myself or (in the future) my 2 girls absolutely DO concern me. Laws that have the potential to reduce the number of practicing OBGYNs concern me. Laws that may reduce the ability of doctors to lean techniques like D&Cs (used for abortion, but also used to treat miscarriage and other common ailments) concern me. These same people who want to restrict abortion are also coming after birth control and IVF, which concerns me. One of my DDs was conceived via IVF. They're targeting "abortion" drugs like methotrexate, which saved my life and allowed me to avoid a potentially sterilizing surgical procedure when I had my ectopic, and is also used to treat a variety of conditions NOT related to pregnancy.

These extreme anti-abortion laws have ramifications above and beyond punishing women for sex.

Are you the poster who is moving to Canada to ensure that her daughters can abort her grandchildren with ease?

This thread like all others on dcum concerning abortion has the following characteristics:

-multiple posters claiming an unborn baby isn’t human
-multiple posters claiming an unborn baby isn’t alive
- multiple posters ignoring the fact they that the majority (98%) of abortions performed in the US are elective
-multiple posters with detail free anecdotes about themselves or friends
-a 10 year old child who was repeatedly raped by her mom’s boyfriend. The child’s mother knew about her daughter’s rape and the resulting pregnancy of her daughter by her pedo rapist boyfriend, and didn’t try to protect her daughter or have her rapist pedo boyfriend arrested.

If you believe an embryo is alive and can sustain itself on its own, you have WAY bigger issues than this thread.

Here is the Born alive law from Congress (Republican backed) and the definition of alive:

respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion



No 10 week old embryo has a heart, much less a beating heart and if the umbilical cord isn’t connected to the mother, no oxygen. There aren’t voluntary muscles that the embryo is in charge of yet. The heart isn’t really formed until 17-18 weeks of gestation.
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Babies can’t pass air through their lungs (breathe air) until after 23ish weeks.

Looks like multiple posters understand science and one poster is unable to process that.

Human embryos from the one-cell (zygote) stage forward show uniquely integrated, organismal behavior that is unlike the behavior of mere human cells. The zygote produces increasingly complex tissues, structures and organs that work together in a coordinated way. Importantly, the cells, tissues and organs produced during development do not somehow “generate” the embryo (as if there were some unseen, mysterious “manufacturer” directing this process), they are produced by the embryo as it directs its own development to more mature stages of human life. This organized, coordinated behavior of the embryo is the defining characteristic of a human organism.

But dear, republicans in congress used another now legal definition.
You are incorrect in your understanding.
Many even most of these one called organisms you are calling alive unalive before they can be implanted in a moms uterus because of dna coding issues or any number of issues a
Woman has.

I’m sure some women would be happy to volunteer to give you our used tampons pads and Luna cups so you can collect these unimplanted embryos every month and bring them to life.

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications).

It is not fully formed life and cannot exist independent of the parent.

If a child needs a heart transplant to live and the mother is a perfect match, should the mother kill themself to donate their heart? If she is resistant to this, should we legally force her to donate it even though it will kill her?

Same concept

Your argument is flawed; a mom can’t donate her adult sized heart to her sick child.

Children who need organ transplants need child sized organs.

Do no harm means no doctor is going to kill a mother to take her adult sized and thus useless to her sick child heart.

You sre deflecting. And yes, this situation could occur with a teenage child.

Answer the question

No; your situation is not something that could happen. There is a zero percent chance of your made up scenario occurring in the US health care and hospital system.

My spouse received a kidney transplant 6 years ago. You are just making up scenarios that have no basis in reality.

You are deflecting. Make it a kidney transplant and the mother only has one kidney. Her teen child needs one, should the mother be forced to donate her second to save the life of her child?

You are the only person who is trapped in your world of non-reality based organ transplant scenarios that would never occur in the United States healthcare system or hospital system.

DP. And you just keep showing that you will warp truth to first your preconception.

But this isn't about truth. It isn't about anything but stewing in your own emotional responses, fetishizing them, and then haranguing other people for not being good like you. You're not good -- your approaches lead to more problems, even the ones you are trying to avoid.

But that's not the point. Facts don't matter. Nothing matters except feeling superior and laying in on judgement. It's like public masturbation, and you are even proud of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

The GOP has nothing to do with this; women are not being forced to have sex and become pregnant. People are not being forced to donate organs. Anyone who is pretending those things are occurring are delusional and need therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:All medical procedures have complication risks. Every single darn one down to getting an IV.

Fact; abortion carries a lower complication risk than pregnancy

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22270271/

Let's say it again for the back bleachers. But of course, that doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

The GOP has nothing to do with this; women are not being forced to have sex and become pregnant. People are not being forced to donate organs. Anyone who is pretending those things are occurring are delusional and need therapy.

Yep. That 10 year old in Ohio consented to it, right?

SO gross.

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I think the poster should keep it up, they are realllly working hard, ironically, to make women more determined to vote for the party that allows them control of their bodies.

Their posts are so insane and egregious (comparing having an abortion to owning slaves a few pages back), there is no doubt in my mind that anyone who reads their posts will be influenced to vote against their BS.

Congrats PP! Is this like some reverse psychology campaign against the GOP? Well done!

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications).

It is not fully formed life and cannot exist independent of the parent.

If a child needs a heart transplant to live and the mother is a perfect match, should the mother kill themself to donate their heart? If she is resistant to this, should we legally force her to donate it even though it will kill her?

Same concept

Your argument is flawed; a mom can’t donate her adult sized heart to her sick child.

Children who need organ transplants need child sized organs.

Do no harm means no doctor is going to kill a mother to take her adult sized and thus useless to her sick child heart.

You sre deflecting. And yes, this situation could occur with a teenage child.

Answer the question

No; your situation is not something that could happen. There is a zero percent chance of your made up scenario occurring in the US health care and hospital system.

My spouse received a kidney transplant 6 years ago. You are just making up scenarios that have no basis in reality.

You are deflecting. Make it a kidney transplant and the mother only has one kidney. Her teen child needs one, should the mother be forced to donate her second to save the life of her child?

You are the only person who is trapped in your world of non-reality based organ transplant scenarios that would never occur in the United States healthcare system or hospital system.

DP. And you just keep showing that you will warp truth to first your preconception.

But this isn't about truth. It isn't about anything but stewing in your own emotional responses, fetishizing them, and then haranguing other people for not being good like you. You're not good -- your approaches lead to more problems, even the ones you are trying to avoid.

But that's not the point. Facts don't matter. Nothing matters except feeling superior and laying in on judgement. It's like public masturbation, and you are even proud of it.

You can type a bunch of weird stuff but nobody is being forced to donate organs and surgical transplant teams would not participate in any surgery that included your hysterical and non-reality based scenarios. I dare you to contact any US hospital (please go in person) and ask them about forced organ donation. You will be eventually escorted off the premises.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

They truly hate women.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

The GOP has nothing to do with this; women are not being forced to have sex and become pregnant. People are not being forced to donate organs. Anyone who is pretending those things are occurring are delusional and need therapy.

Yep. That 10 year old in Ohio consented to it, right?

SO gross.

No, her own mother and her mom’s pedo boyfriend forced her to be raped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

They truly hate women.

How do you explain accidents and injuries that occur to men, women, and children? Is the GOP causing all of those to occur? Please include citations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

What any other woman decides is none of my or your business.

Elective abortion is choosing to kill an unborn child. There is no medical reason to kill a healthy unborn baby, and my tax dollars are used against my will to fund Planned Parenthood.

And you would have the state force a woman to use her body against her will.

The GOP gets sick pleasure out of forcing women to do things without their consent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

What any other woman decides is none of my or your business.

Elective abortion is choosing to kill an unborn child. There is no medical reason to kill a healthy unborn baby, and my tax dollars are used against my will to fund Planned Parenthood.

And you would have the state force a woman to use her body against her will.

The GOP gets sick pleasure out of forcing women to do things without their consent.

Citation needed. GOP is forcing women to have sex and become pregnant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

They truly hate women.

How do you explain accidents and injuries that occur to men, women, and children? Is the GOP causing all of those to occur? Please include citations.

Strawman.

The comment was: “here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.”

We are talking about the GOP forcing women to give birth against their will.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of abortions are elective.

Birth control has become more reliable.

The same people who ignore ^^^ are trying to tell you unborn babies are not human and unborn babies are not alive.

Please do not have an abortion if that is your choice. Everyone will respect your decision. Just stay out of this matter for other women. It does not concern you.

But it concerns you?

What any other woman decides is none of my or your business.

Elective abortion is choosing to kill an unborn child. There is no medical reason to kill a healthy unborn baby, and my tax dollars are used against my will to fund Planned Parenthood.

And you would have the state force a woman to use her body against her will.

The GOP gets sick pleasure out of forcing women to do things without their consent.

Citation needed. GOP is forcing women to have sex and become pregnant?

Are you only capable of making childish strawman arguments?

The GOP is forcing women to give birth against their will.

And clearly they get some kind of sick perverted pleasure out of it. Fcking masochists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to know the medical reason to kill a healthy woman when her only condition that is killing her is pregnancy

Elective abortion means neither mother nor baby are not experiencing any medical issues or health problems. That’s what the majority of abortions performed in the US are- elective.

Any pregnancy can turn deadly at any moment. Every pregnancy has the potential to kill or maim or wound the person who carries it. Every pregnancy changes a woman’s or girl’s body forever and entails serious pain. That is why the person who has the uterus needed to gestate is the one who gets to decide if she is willing to do it.

Your argument applies to every human being on earth every second of the day. Just being alive brings risks, and everyone dies. Birth control is more reliable and effective now than at any previous time in history and elective abortion is risky as well.

“Everyone dies.” Ladies, here’s the GOP argument for why the government should be able to force you to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

The GOP has nothing to do with this; women are not being forced to have sex and become pregnant. People are not being forced to donate organs. Anyone who is pretending those things are occurring are delusional and need therapy.

Rape and incest victims would beg to differ. Many abortion bans dont include exceptions for these cases. And we now have a GOP VP candidate who feels that pregnancy resulting from rape is only "inconvenient".

And my 2nd, very much wanted and planned for pregnancy ended up being ectopic and endangered my life.