Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Anonymous wrote:A lot like the electoral college system here. They don't want all of the political power to be aggregated in one place. Sort of the same with opportunities

We should hold Olympics like this too since this is such a great way to find talents.

Yes, medals will be awarded based on the geographic representations. We will have diversity, equity and inclusiveness - lovely.

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Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.

Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?

The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?

The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.

Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?

The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?

The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.

I agree that Stanley should be able to attend one of the 5 UCs he applied to. But again, how can they evaluate "each student according to their own merits" without essentially ranking students to compare them and decide who gets accepted? Students will naturally compete with their immediate peers and indirectly compete with other applicants to be the best regarding their own merits. The practice of holistic admissions still ranks students, however, the criteria aren't transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.

Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?

The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?

The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.

UC State colleges are funded by State taxes. It is hard to take tax money from poor / unsuccessful communities and spend it on wealthy / successful communities. In some ways this system is successful. In other ways this system is a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Are you even reading the other posts in this forum??? Or are you some kind of ChatGPT bot?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Are you even reading the other posts in this forum??? Or are you some kind of ChatGPT bot?

ChatGPT bot would come up with a much better argument than yours. You're just pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Well said.

Ditto!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Well said.

Agreed!

[Anonymous]

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UC State colleges are funded by State taxes. It is hard to take tax money from poor / unsuccessful communities and spend it on wealthy / successful communities. In some ways this system is successful. In other ways this system is a failure.

One can argue the other way… why take money from wealthy/successful communities and spend it on poor/unsuccessful communities? Wait, that is exactly what California is all about! 😎

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.

Again, UC is race blind.

This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?

You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.

I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.

So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?

Okay

Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.

Well said.

Agreed!

Stop agreeing with yourself.

[Anonymous]

I tend to agree that something else might be up with his applications. It almost makes you wonder if UMD and Texas may have missed something.

I hope he passes the Google background check!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

UC State colleges are funded by State taxes. It is hard to take tax money from poor / unsuccessful communities and spend it on wealthy / successful communities. In some ways this system is successful. In other ways this system is a failure.

One can argue the other way… why take money from wealthy/successful communities and spend it on poor/unsuccessful communities? Wait, that is exactly what California is all about! 😎

My family came to the USA because of opportunity hoarding back home. The same classes of people who keep you down no matter how hard you work.

[Anonymous]

Having this small bit of failure will probably help someone like this longer term. Good luck to him at Google. They probably have a program that will help him pay to get a degree too.