Chances of VA House of Del flipping Dem?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

Seems like YOU have chosen this book to argue about. At least show us what the issue is. Why can’t you post the image? Or even post a link to the image??

Why all the secrecy?? (It strongly suggests you are hiding something / being dishonest here).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

Seems like YOU have chosen this book to argue about. At least show us what the issue is. Why can’t you post the image? Or even post a link to the image??

Why all the secrecy?? (It strongly suggests you are hiding something / being dishonest here).

Dude, ask the people who actually have a problem with these books. I'm fine with them. I'm not their spokesperson.

Why all of the deliberate obtuseness? It strongly suggests you are not discussing any of this in good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

Seems like YOU have chosen this book to argue about. At least show us what the issue is. Why can’t you post the image? Or even post a link to the image??

Why all the secrecy?? (It strongly suggests you are hiding something / being dishonest here).

Dude, ask the people who actually have a problem with these books. I'm fine with them. I'm not their spokesperson.

Why all of the deliberate obtuseness? It strongly suggests you are not discussing any of this in good faith.

If you have no problem with the children’s book, post the image in question for us adults to see.

What are you hiding here? Post it.

[Anonymous]

After all this back and forth, I would also prefer to see what these two are arguing about.

Could someone please post the image or explaine what this image is, and what makes it so controversial?

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

Seems like YOU have chosen this book to argue about. At least show us what the issue is. Why can’t you post the image? Or even post a link to the image??

Why all the secrecy?? (It strongly suggests you are hiding something / being dishonest here).

Dude, ask the people who actually have a problem with these books. I'm fine with them. I'm not their spokesperson.

Why all of the deliberate obtuseness? It strongly suggests you are not discussing any of this in good faith.

If you have no problem with the children’s book, post the image in question for us adults to see.

What are you hiding here? Post it.

I have replied to this sort of question many times but let me explain again. Humans, at least most of them, understand context and nuance. As such, we, again at least most of us, can distinguish a novel describing coming of age stories from material merely meant to feed prurient interests. Indeed, "I know it when I see it" is the basis of Justice Potter Stewart's ruling with regard to pornography. Google's spider which looks for terms of service violations has no such brain. It is unable to know something when it sees it. Therefore, it acts more like a meat cleaver than a scalpel. This means that in order not to get flagged, we have to be even more restricted than the average school library. I, of course, don't like this situation but can't really do anything about it. But, anyone can link to these images elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Republicans proposed this bill to ban all abortions THIS YEAR (2023).

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+vot+HV1622+HB1954
SB 1284 Abortion; prohibited, exceptions, penalty.
Introduced by: T. Travis Hackworth
SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Abortion prohibited; exceptions; penalty. Provides that life begins at conception and no abortion is authorized or shall be performed on an unborn child except when (i) a physician determines, in reasonable medical judgment, that a medical emergency exists, defined in the bill such that the abortion is performed to save the life of the mother, or (ii) the probable gestational age of the unborn child is 20 weeks or less and the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest in which an official police report has been filed alleging the offense of rape or incest and such abortion is performed by a licensed physician in a hospital. The bill provides that any person who performs an unlawful abortion is guilty of a Class 4 felony.
2023 SESSION
SB 1284 Abortion; prohibited, exceptions, penalty.
SENATE PATRONS
T. Travis Hackworth (chief patron)
Stephen D. Newman (chief co-patron)
Amanda F. Chase
Mark D. Obenshain
Mark J. Peake
Bryce E. Reeves
William M. Stanley, Jr.


Virginia Republicans are a real and imminent threat to women. The Ds only have control of the Senate by 2 seats.

[Anonymous]

this whole "must report the rape to the police" thing is INSANE

Sure, let's retraumatize the woman who was raped AND is carrying her rapist's embryo/zygote. Make her go to the police station and relive it.

I swear, Rs are ghouls.

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According to the Washington Post polls, abortion is the second least important issues to voters after trans issues as the least important issue.

Democrats running on culture wars may not play out how they think it will.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

You have got to be kidding. By now, we've all seen the pictures depicting two girls having oral sex (with a dildo), the description of the vibrator, the phone/texting sex conversation, the description and recollection of a childhood sexual experience, etc. Good grief. You seem intent on gaslighting away the graphically sexual images in these books.

Talk about deliberately obtuse. No one takes you seriously at this point.

It takes a special sort of sheltered conservative fuddy-duddy not to understand that fiction can describe sex, or even depict sex, in ways that aren't sexual arousing or intended to be.

It takes a special sort of LWNJ twit to ASSume that anyone who disagrees with them must be a "conservative fuddy-duddy." It's also amusing that you think teens reading those books aren't sexually aroused by the explicit descriptions and graphics.

They aren’t. Which you would know if you actually read them instead of pushing RWNJ propaganda.

I don't post about things I haven't read/seen with my own eyes. By now, anyone aware of these books has seen the pictures in question. You just look like a complete gaslighting idiot by denying what we can all see for ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

You have got to be kidding. By now, we've all seen the pictures depicting two girls having oral sex (with a dildo), the description of the vibrator, the phone/texting sex conversation, the description and recollection of a childhood sexual experience, etc. Good grief. You seem intent on gaslighting away the graphically sexual images in these books.

Talk about deliberately obtuse. No one takes you seriously at this point.

It takes a special sort of sheltered conservative fuddy-duddy not to understand that fiction can describe sex, or even depict sex, in ways that aren't sexual arousing or intended to be.

It takes a special sort of LWNJ twit to ASSume that anyone who disagrees with them must be a "conservative fuddy-duddy." It's also amusing that you think teens reading those books aren't sexually aroused by the explicit descriptions and graphics.

No, it's the assumption that any description or depiction of sex must be arousing that makes someone a conservative fuddy-duddy. It suggests a basic misunderstanding of how storytelling works, for the sake of censoring texts that promote sexual attitudes you disapprove of.

Let's take some examples from a text that you should be quite familiar with - the Bible!

Do you find it arousing to read bible verses about man and woman becoming one flesh?

Or about seducing and lying with a virgin?

Or about lying with a woman and then bathing after a "seminal emission"?

Or about lusting after paramours hung like horses?

Or about beholding the nakedness of relatives?

Or about the "perversion" of having intercourse with an animal?

Or about a girl "playing the harlot" in her father's house?

No? Then you understand the difference between descriptions of sexual activity that don't have the purpose or effect of titillating, and pornography that does. You just don't like letting teens access coming of age stories about queer people.

Why would you assume I'm familiar with the Bible? Do you insist anyone you disagree with must be a devout Christian? Religion has nothing to do with basic facts. Here are some for you: pictures of two girls engaging in oral sex, one while wearing a dildo, is porn and is intended to arouse. Drawings and descriptions of vibrators are intended to arouse. Pictures of a man and young boy engaged in oral sex are intended to arouse. None of these pictures belongs in our school libraries. However, this "basic storytelling" can easily be accessed by you and your children in any public library, bookstore, or online. Don't worry about depriving your kids of the porn you so want them to be exposed to.

And do go on quoting archaic Biblical stories that no one's ever read. It really makes you look like a serious person.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

DP. Actually, here's a link that should set the record straight. I'm sure you'll enjoy the porn depicted here.

https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

Seems like YOU have chosen this book to argue about. At least show us what the issue is. Why can’t you post the image? Or even post a link to the image??

Why all the secrecy?? (It strongly suggests you are hiding something / being dishonest here).

+1
It's called gaslighting. This PP thinks no one's actually going to look for the pictures in question, so she just continues to gaslight about their contents. Classic Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

DP. Actually, here's a link that should set the record straight. I'm sure you'll enjoy the porn depicted here.

https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

Oh my, this is very disturbing. I had no idea and would not want my DC exposed to this without my prior knowledge and of course, age appropriateness.