University of Alabama - “ peak neo-antebellum white Southern culture” - NYT

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Anonymous wrote:What a hate-filled thread this is.
In general, a lot of people are talking about 'Bama Rush because their kids are watching it on TikTok. Then there's the documentary. This columnist has an opinion. But it's not your opinion - so why aren't you writing a well-informed opinion piece explaining all the benefits of sorority culture instead of cr@pping on this one black columnist? Interesting that none of you were interested hearing what an actual top drawer (Tri Delta) Southern sorority alum has to say about any of this, so I wonder if any of you even know anyone in a sorority - are you even women? Maybe you're just a bunch of trolls who found an excuse to say something racist.

Puhleeze. Cottom put her piece out there. So we have the right to say in detail exactly why it's misogynistic trash.

-- a woman

Should amend:

- a progressive woman

That’s an interesting fact, because very few people identify themselves as progressive.

It’s a term like “woke” - a trigger word that in 2023 has a meaning that primarily exists inside the minds of conservatives.

Oh no, it has real-world meaning. It’s the group we know hates us and acts like our enemy. What they call themselves and whether or not they accept our term for them hardly even matters.

DP. Wow, zero self-awareness. You poor, poor victim. It's not like "progressives" EVER say hateful things about conservatives and act hateful toward them, 24/7 here on DCUM (and everywhere else). Poor you.

Yes I know you think conservatives are dumb, but we’re not so dumb we’re going to believe your lame efforts to gaslight us into thinking you don’t hate us.

And… yeah… progs say hateful things about conservatives on DCUM 24/7.

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It's a pretty witty article.

Surprised people are really triggered over it.

Relax.

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Anonymous wrote:What a hate-filled thread this is.
In general, a lot of people are talking about 'Bama Rush because their kids are watching it on TikTok. Then there's the documentary. This columnist has an opinion. But it's not your opinion - so why aren't you writing a well-informed opinion piece explaining all the benefits of sorority culture instead of cr@pping on this one black columnist? Interesting that none of you were interested hearing what an actual top drawer (Tri Delta) Southern sorority alum has to say about any of this, so I wonder if any of you even know anyone in a sorority - are you even women? Maybe you're just a bunch of trolls who found an excuse to say something racist.

Puhleeze. Cottom put her piece out there. So we have the right to say in detail exactly why it's misogynistic trash.

-- a woman

Should amend:

- a progressive woman

That’s an interesting fact, because very few people identify themselves as progressive.

It’s a term like “woke” - a trigger word that in 2023 has a meaning that primarily exists inside the minds of conservatives.

Oh no, it has real-world meaning. It’s the group we know hates us and acts like our enemy. What they call themselves and whether or not they accept our term for them hardly even matters.

This trend of playing the victim by the party of “don’t say gay”, “go to jail if you don’t use the bathroom I prescribe”, “Imma tell you what you can read”, “no healthcare foe YOU”, and “Don’t make me get my riffle” is pretty odd.

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

No thoughts on the history of segregation and Greek life? On the role of the Machine? You're missing the point if you think this piece and other critiques of the system are directed at the "shiny hair and tasteful makeup."

NP: Here's my thought, as the parent of a DS who is the recruitment chair for his fraternity at an SEC university: the past is not the present. Past segregation is undeniably abhorrent. The CURRENT young men in any given fraternity in 2023 should not be assumed to be racist aholes.

My son's fraternity has a respectable representation of white, Asian (east and south) members. The representation of Hispanic members is consistent with the university as a whole (e.g, 11% :: 11%, or 18% :: 18%). There are a lot of men from the Middle East, too. But. They have great difficulty attracting Black pledges despite a lot of concerted and creative recruiting efforts. DS says he thinks they lose out to Alpha Phi Alpha.

While not excusing the past, I wish people wouldn't reflexively assume present Greek houses all hope to stay as white as the hack author imagines. To do so is dishonest.

I don't think she is saying that or blaming kids like your son. She is just pointing out the fact that by their very nature these organizations specifically the PR surrounding rush right now does uphold the white southern culture. I don't think that can be disputed. Try not to take it personally.

DP. Please tell us all about how the PR surrounding the Divine Nine upholds AA culture - which is fine. Here ya go:

Did Divine Nine ancestors own the ancestors of the Old Row Sororities and Fraternities? And did that antebellum culture perpetuate a black power structure that exists to this day? Not as far as I know. Her whole point is about power structures and how they are framed in Bama rush.

It doesn't make sense to me why people get so offended or feel they must deny what is so obvious as though it is something to take personally or as though they are threatened. It is not. You are not.

(former Tridelt here again.)

The power imbalance is, of course, the point that all of these triggered posters miss.

It reminds me of creepy guys claiming not to understand what’s wrong with catcalling women - to which the answer is easy: “Never say anything to a woman that you wouldn’t be comfortable hearing from a 350 pound man in a maximum security prison yard.”

Or translated to this case for the triggered OP: never celebrate a culture whose actions (genocide, normalized rape, and industrial scale cruelty for centuries in the case of antebellum southern culture) you wouldn’t want to be subject to.

OMG. Overreact much? Are you this concerned about all those black girls who pledge black sororities? “But the power imbalance!!” - clutches pearls -

Child: “Mom, why is there a Mother’s Day and a Father’s Day but no kids’ day!”

Exhausted mom: “Honey, every day is kids’ day.”

PP: “Why don’t critiques of people celebrating a violent genocidal past ALSO criticize the descendents of the victims? It’s not FAIR!”

DP. You have serious issues. No one is “celebrating a violent genocidal past,” you utter dolt. Find somewhere else to spread your race-baiting.

Someone should let PP know what the word “antebellum” means.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to pay to read it No thanks

This is dcum, the majority of people here sub to NYT

Dallas urban moms is that way ➡️

DP. Not me. I subscribe to the WSJ after ditching the WaPo.

Make sure you only read the opinion section.

LOL. Yes, the paper pilloried by journalists working in the straight news section for their bathsh-t crazy editorial section since the buyout.

DP. Anyone calling the WSJ editorial section “batshit crazy” is outing themselves as a complete LWNJ.

Nice try. Anyone arguing against that obvious assessment — agreed with by the overwhelming majority of the WSJ news staff and widely publicized in their very public criticism of the revamped editorial department after the Murdoch takeover — is a propagandist fighting a losing battle.

Also, anyone who would defend the media empire that employed and promoted noted white supremacist Tucker “White men don’t fight like that” Carlson is obviously not a serious person.

Don’t you have a MAGA rally to attend?

DP. Is that your idiotic response to anyone who disagrees with you? Very telling. One doesn’t have to be “MAGA” to think people like you are nuts.

Interesting. So there’s a non-MAGA brand of republicans who embrace the Murdoch-installed editorial board at the WSJ — an editorial board that responded to George Floyd’s death by inviting a professional anti-diversity activist to write a piece claiming, contrary to the conclusions of dozens of studies funded by police departments, that systemic racism in policing doesn’t exist? And these republicans, who support the board put in place by the same folks who employed Tucker “white men don’t fight like that” Carlson, feel insulted when they’re called MAGA? Why on earth do they find that insulting?

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

The article is just paragraphs and paragraphs of pathetic bile by some silly woman with a major case of FOMO.

Of course the NYT will print anything she has to say, which begs the question about who is actually the more privileged in 2023 - the hot White sorority sisters or the angry Black “journalist.”

She's not a journalist. She's a sociologist and essayist.

She’s a clown, and if any White “sociologist” or “essayist” wrote a similarly nasty, condescending piece about fraternities or sororities at an HBCU they’d get pilloried. The left sure does know how to revel in their double standards, though.

THIS ^^

NP here. Your comment might have been fine without "She's a clown." You might have a more persuasive writing style if you did not attack the person, but rather the arguments.

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

The article is just paragraphs and paragraphs of pathetic bile by some silly woman with a major case of FOMO.

Of course the NYT will print anything she has to say, which begs the question about who is actually the more privileged in 2023 - the hot White sorority sisters or the angry Black “journalist.”

She's not a journalist. She's a sociologist and essayist.

She’s a clown, and if any White “sociologist” or “essayist” wrote a similarly nasty, condescending piece about fraternities or sororities at an HBCU they’d get pilloried. The left sure does know how to revel in their double standards, though.

THIS ^^

NP here. Your comment might have been fine without "She's a clown." You might have a more persuasive writing style if you did not attack the person, but rather the arguments.

7:54 here. I’m obviously no fan of Cottom, but this MAGA poster has a single hammer. And that’s to argue that all progressives/liberals should be ashamed of these monikers because writers like Cottom represent the entire left (even as, bizarrely, they argue the WSJ editorial page isn’t MAGA). There’s no arguing with this person, but obviously they’re not persuading anybody either, so they can be ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a pretty witty article.

Surprised people are really triggered over it.

Relax.

I know, right? Let me know your reaction when I finish my “witty” take down of silly black sororities. You’ll love it!

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Anonymous wrote:What a hate-filled thread this is.
In general, a lot of people are talking about 'Bama Rush because their kids are watching it on TikTok. Then there's the documentary. This columnist has an opinion. But it's not your opinion - so why aren't you writing a well-informed opinion piece explaining all the benefits of sorority culture instead of cr@pping on this one black columnist? Interesting that none of you were interested hearing what an actual top drawer (Tri Delta) Southern sorority alum has to say about any of this, so I wonder if any of you even know anyone in a sorority - are you even women? Maybe you're just a bunch of trolls who found an excuse to say something racist.

Puhleeze. Cottom put her piece out there. So we have the right to say in detail exactly why it's misogynistic trash.

-- a woman

Should amend:

- a progressive woman

That’s an interesting fact, because very few people identify themselves as progressive.

It’s a term like “woke” - a trigger word that in 2023 has a meaning that primarily exists inside the minds of conservatives.

Oh no, it has real-world meaning. It’s the group we know hates us and acts like our enemy. What they call themselves and whether or not they accept our term for them hardly even matters.

This trend of playing the victim by the party of “don’t say gay”, “go to jail if you don’t use the bathroom I prescribe”, “Imma tell you what you can read”, “no healthcare foe YOU”, and “Don’t make me get my riffle” is pretty odd.

DP. Hmm, interesting choice of words. I don’t know one person who has ever said any of them. But nice gaslighting.

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

The article is just paragraphs and paragraphs of pathetic bile by some silly woman with a major case of FOMO.

Of course the NYT will print anything she has to say, which begs the question about who is actually the more privileged in 2023 - the hot White sorority sisters or the angry Black “journalist.”

She's not a journalist. She's a sociologist and essayist.

She’s a clown, and if any White “sociologist” or “essayist” wrote a similarly nasty, condescending piece about fraternities or sororities at an HBCU they’d get pilloried. The left sure does know how to revel in their double standards, though.

THIS ^^

NP here. Your comment might have been fine without "She's a clown." You might have a more persuasive writing style if you did not attack the person, but rather the arguments.

DP. Why? No one holds back insulting conservatives they disagree with. Maybe if she had included ALL sorority members in her essay, instead of just white women, she wouldn’t have been referred to as a clown.

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

The article is just paragraphs and paragraphs of pathetic bile by some silly woman with a major case of FOMO.

Of course the NYT will print anything she has to say, which begs the question about who is actually the more privileged in 2023 - the hot White sorority sisters or the angry Black “journalist.”

She's not a journalist. She's a sociologist and essayist.

She’s a clown, and if any White “sociologist” or “essayist” wrote a similarly nasty, condescending piece about fraternities or sororities at an HBCU they’d get pilloried. The left sure does know how to revel in their double standards, though.

THIS ^^

NP here. Your comment might have been fine without "She's a clown." You might have a more persuasive writing style if you did not attack the person, but rather the arguments.

7:54 here. I’m obviously no fan of Cottom, but this MAGA poster has a single hammer. And that’s to argue that all progressives/liberals should be ashamed of these monikers because writers like Cottom represent the entire left (even as, bizarrely, they argue the WSJ editorial page isn’t MAGA). There’s no arguing with this person, but obviously they’re not persuading anybody either, so they can be ignored.

DP. It’s very strange that you would call the WSJ editorial page “MAGA” when Trump is consistently criticized on those pages and calls
for someone other than Trump to be the GOP’s candidate are written every single day. Clearly, you don’t actually read the WSJ since you are so off-base in your blanket statements about them. No one from the WSJ is pro-Trump. So calling them “MAGA” is not only wrong, it’s ignorant.

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Angry woman from NYT big mad that Bama girls are hot and also big mad that outsiders think the Bama girls are hot also.

“ Their Southern accents are the linguistic equivalent of pointing a ring light at their shiny hair and tasteful makeup. ”

“ that accent is seductive. It says these are ideal women from a regional culture that values traditional gender norms ”

“ these sororities’ annual viral juggernaut is counterprogramming to the Northeastern elite university brand. The Bama version is wholesome, nonthreatening, traditional femininity in Lululemon athleisure. ”

The whole article is a must read

The article is just paragraphs and paragraphs of pathetic bile by some silly woman with a major case of FOMO.

Of course the NYT will print anything she has to say, which begs the question about who is actually the more privileged in 2023 - the hot White sorority sisters or the angry Black “journalist.”

She's not a journalist. She's a sociologist and essayist.

She’s a clown, and if any White “sociologist” or “essayist” wrote a similarly nasty, condescending piece about fraternities or sororities at an HBCU they’d get pilloried. The left sure does know how to revel in their double standards, though.

THIS ^^

NP here. Your comment might have been fine without "She's a clown." You might have a more persuasive writing style if you did not attack the person, but rather the arguments.

You mean the way liberals attack Candace Owens? Or Tucker Carlson? Or Donald Trump? Oh. Might want to take your own advice.

[Anonymous]

The U of Alabama is almost the opposite of the kind of school our kids are looking for, but I felt more disappointed in the NYT than anything else after reading that article. What's the point? School officials should require their sororities practice affirmative action? Interesting that the percentage of Black students at Alabama is about 30% higher than at the author's current institution (11 vs 8.5%).

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The U of Alabama is almost the opposite of the kind of school our kids are looking for, but I felt more disappointed in the NYT than anything else after reading that article. What's the point? School officials should require their sororities practice affirmative action? Interesting that the percentage of Black students at Alabama is about 30% higher than at the author's current institution (11 vs 8.5%).

it’s my take that the NYT a was looking for an essay or opinion piece about Bama sororities, since it’s “trending.” They asked this lady because she’s a sociologist who studies similar topics, and black, so it’s a different take on the subject. She takes the job, watches a few TikToks and the documentary, writes a cursory column that’s more like a summary book report with some fireworks at the end - and now THIS!

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The U of Alabama is almost the opposite of the kind of school our kids are looking for, but I felt more disappointed in the NYT than anything else after reading that article. What's the point? School officials should require their sororities practice affirmative action? Interesting that the percentage of Black students at Alabama is about 30% higher than at the author's current institution (11 vs 8.5%).

it’s my take that the NYT a was looking for an essay or opinion piece about Bama sororities, since it’s “trending.” They asked this lady because she’s a sociologist who studies similar topics, and black, so it’s a different take on the subject. She takes the job, watches a few TikToks and the documentary, writes a cursory column that’s more like a summary book report with some fireworks at the end - and now THIS!

Not that it would likely matter to you, but she is a regular columnist for the NYT. I just wanted to correct that little part of your narrative.