People who ruin neighborhoods (like tkpk) by putting their kids in private school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More of a vent, but i am uttterly frustrated by people with money who move into nice MC neighborhoods like tkpk or silver spring with relatively good schools to get bigger houses and then choose to put their precious kids in private schools.

We are trying to build a community and bring the schools up and these people create a bad trend of pulling a whole group of UMC kids out of the public schools because they cannot handle the diversity and challenges of public schools. All while claiming to be left leaning and to have a social compass. But that is pure white flight. It is depressing. And they dont even seem to see how political and impactful their choice is.

I really wish they stayed out of my city and went to live next to the private schools they send their kids to.

OP you are adorable. Now please tell us who is “we” is. You and 3 of your neighbors?

I’ve got news for you: the needle never moves. Bad schools will be bad 10, 20 years from now, too.

Not necessarily true. We have no idea what development and policy may bring in that timeframe. For one thing, county governments are set on dispersing affordable housing throughout the area instead of concentrating it into pockets which has been the case over the past few decades. Now developers are incentivized and/or required to include affordable housing units even in luxury apartments. All of this means that poor people will have increased access to live within the good schools which will inevitably decrease their scores. The schools that are already bad will see re-development as aging low-income garden complexes are torn down and replaced with new units (which will still have affordable units). In general this points to a regression to the mean for significantly good schools and slight boost for bad schools. They won't be as bad.

That’s why people scout out areas like Whitman and Langley. None of this ever affects them at all and the Democrats who force affordable housing elsewhere turn a blind eye to the segregation they actively promote and then tolerate.

+1 Andrew Friedson pretends to care about equity but you know he isn't going to support bringing any significant number of low income people into the Whitman district

[Anonymous]

Here are some data for OP:
TPES: BL 29.1%; Hi 16.3%; Wh 45.4%
MCPS: Bl 21.9%; Hi 33.4%; Wh 25.3%.

I understand you only care about Tkpk, but TPES has more white students than MCPS. Do you want more UMC white kids to make the school whiter? Are you for more diversity or just want more white kids in your neighborhood school?

[Anonymous]

OP, unfortunately this issue is kind of similar to people using cars instead of transit/bikes. People will do what works best for them. The system needs to change otherwise people will keep leaving public schools.

People do not use transit a lot in MoCo because it takes forever to get most places in MoCo via transit unless you happen to be going somewhere close to the Red Line. It's not rational to depend on transit for most people.

MCPS is highly segregated by race and income due to land use decisions as well as the history of structural racism. The school system is racist so kids of color have bad experiences. Low income kids are mostly hard working and well behaved, but for those that struggle the resources to help them are highly inadequate. These underserved kids are concentrated in certain schools, which leads to the concerns that people have about sending their kids to those schools.

We are in the DCC, our child is too young for the schools but we have no plans to go private. I went to a "W" school (yes, a real W school) after attending a prestigious private school for elementary and middle school. The private school was hands down a better school. The standards at the public school were shockingly low IMO. That being said, my classmates from both schools are doing fine in life. If anything, the public school classmates are doing better. Maybe it's my perception based on the public school being a bigger pond. But I do think if you are wealthy, you can give your child what they need to be successful even if they have to attend a so-so school. So I don't really see the value of private school honestly, not that we could afford it.

[Anonymous]

Only a very small minority of idealists act against their individual best interests with a view towards what they think favors general social improvement instead. It's unrealistic to expect most people to disregard the negative consequences of suboptimal choices when they have what they perceive as better alternatives available to them. In this case, you're speaking of parents who see private education as offering a better education for their children. They are acting in what they see as the best interests of their children. You may think a better or equivalent education is to be had in the public school environment, but your belief in that regard has no more facial or even objective validity than the opposite perspective. Most people are rational, and make choices they see as being in their best interests, not in the best interests of other.

When private schools are seen as offering no advantages over public schools, people will stop paying for private schools. Until then, those who can, often will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is “we”? I’ll send my kid to whatever school I want, thank you very much. BTW there are also people who homeschool & send their kids to far-flung magnets. It’s really none of your business. I am free to live wherever I want, too. I am not going to sacrifice my child’s education on the altar of diversity.

Not to mention, my kid wouldn’t be allowed to discuss where we went on spring break, our other house or their ECs, or else your child would feel bad & complain of “bragging.”

And i am free to judge you

And I'm free to not give a hoot.

[Anonymous]

Why do people like OP never bring up public vs private colleges? Same idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, unfortunately this issue is kind of similar to people using cars instead of transit/bikes. People will do what works best for them. The system needs to change otherwise people will keep leaving public schools.

People do not use transit a lot in MoCo because it takes forever to get most places in MoCo via transit unless you happen to be going somewhere close to the Red Line. It's not rational to depend on transit for most people.

MCPS is highly segregated by race and income due to land use decisions as well as the history of structural racism. The school system is racist so kids of color have bad experiences. Low income kids are mostly hard working and well behaved, but for those that struggle the resources to help them are highly inadequate. These underserved kids are concentrated in certain schools, which leads to the concerns that people have about sending their kids to those schools.

We are in the DCC, our child is too young for the schools but we have no plans to go private. I went to a "W" school (yes, a real W school) after attending a prestigious private school for elementary and middle school. The private school was hands down a better school. The standards at the public school were shockingly low IMO. That being said, my classmates from both schools are doing fine in life. If anything, the public school classmates are doing better. Maybe it's my perception based on the public school being a bigger pond. But I do think if you are wealthy, you can give your child what they need to be successful even if they have to attend a so-so school. So I don't really see the value of private school honestly, not that we could afford it.

Bolded are both untrue. In MCPS, subsidized housing is spread throughout the county and there are choice & magnet schools. None of that is the case in a lot of places, especially in the Northeast.

[Anonymous]

To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Btw what is the FARMS rate at Whitman? It's only reported as less than 5% so I don't know if it is as low as 1.5%, but I would not be surprised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

MCPS is not highly segregated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

Call it “segregated.” Don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

MCPS is not highly segregated.

Yes, it is. If it weren't, there wouldn't be schools with less than a 5% FARMS rate and schools with more than 50% FARMS rates. That is segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

MCPS is not highly segregated.

Yes, it is. If it weren't, there wouldn't be schools with less than a 5% FARMS rate and schools with more than 50% FARMS rates. That is segregation.

No it isn’t. See Bridgeport, CT & Greenwich/Darien. THAT is segregated. Nothing like that dynamic around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be blunt, poverty isn’t concentrated enough around here. The school district I was educated in was & is approximately 1.5% low-income. 100% single family homes.

So because some districts are more segregated, MCPS is not highly segregated? Give me a break.

MCPS is not highly segregated.

Yes, it is. If it weren't, there wouldn't be schools with less than a 5% FARMS rate and schools with more than 50% FARMS rates. That is segregation.

Nobody is forcing anyone to live anywhere in particular.