Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So is the part about 14 special forces on the ground true?

If it is, so what? What difference does it make? Do you think 14 special forces dudes can take out 200,000 Russian troops? Have you been watching too many action movies?
Again they were probably there as observers, advisors and trainers.

Well a couple of things.

1) We were told that there are no troops on the ground
2) The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States.
3) This is what we did in vietnam as advisors/trainers which lead to actual war
4) This means we are actually at war, and Russia can go after us in any way they want

No it doesn't. For instance no troops have been committed to military action. They're likely functioning as a security detail for the Embassy, Ambassador and other VIPs. The Embassy and Ambassador's residence are considered US territory under international law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"

And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.

This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

Seriously? The military needs to tell people that top secret documents should remain secret? I don't think any of the three things you mentioned have anything to do with this man not understanding law and his mission. It's possible he's triggered by them but that's about it.

[Anonymous]

Seriously? The military needs to tell people that top secret documents should remain secret? I don't think any of the three things you mentioned have anything to do with this man not understanding law and his mission. It's possible he's triggered by them but that's about it.

You have no idea of how or when he was trained. Obviously, he did not take it seriously.
Why did he have access to so many materials and documents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"

And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.

This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”

[Anonymous]

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Seriously? The military needs to tell people that top secret documents should remain secret? I don't think any of the three things you mentioned have anything to do with this man not understanding law and his mission. It's possible he's triggered by them but that's about it.

You have no idea of how or when he was trained. Obviously, he did not take it seriously.
Why did he have access to so many materials and documents?

Because it was his job.

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Anonymous wrote:From the times

Later, someone who appeared to be Airman Teixeira drove onto the property in a red pickup truck.

When Times reporters approached the house again, the truck was parked in the driveway. Airman Teixeira’s mother and a man were standing outside in the driveway.

When asked if Airman Teixeira was there and willing to speak, the man said: “He needs to get an attorney if things are flowing the way they are going right now. The Feds will be around soon, I’m sure.”

The NYT found this guy before the feds did? Wonder if FBI agents refused to investigate the case?

And what does that tell you instinctively?

I'm hoping that the FBI hadn't moved on the guy yet because they'd had him under surveillance???? They aren't really as incompetent as this NYT story make them appear, right??? Right???

I just watched the Boston Bombing doc on Netflix. The FBI had images of the suspects fairly quickly and were determining the identity when someone leaked the images. I got the sense it was BPD, but idk. Anyways, the reason the FBI and DOJ didn't want to release them was b/c they didn't want to alert the bombers that they were on to them. Ultimately, FBI had to get out ahead of the leak, and then there was a lot of death and destruction that followed when they tried to escape. Not to mention the bombers' friends trying to destroy evidence once they recognized who it was.

Revealing that the government has been lying about its involvement in Ukraine? Sounds like whistleblowing.

Where's the big lie?

We've been transparent on equipment being transferred. As for other "involvement" the leak said there were 50 US soldiers in Ukraine. 50. Whoopie doo. Four dozen. Like we're supposed to believe that 50 American soldiers are going to take on 200,000 Russian soldiers? The role of those Americans is no doubt to observe, advise and provide training where needed, pretty standard kind of stuff.

That's a FAR cry from the stupid and ridiculous lies your Russian friends have been telling, that they are "fighting NATO troops" and claims that there were no Ukrainian troops at the front, all black GIs from America and other horsecrap.

You say lie? That's pretty ridiculous.

Their role is most likely Embassy security.

+1. It's never been a secret that there are 50 marines protecting the embassy. It was announced when we reopened it after the invasion.

We have special forces in Ukraine training troops

Every US embassy has Marines. It's part of their job. But we do not have special forces in Ukraine training soldiers. That is right wing pro-Russia nonsense.

Many countries do, the US possibly included. That would be wise, not nonsense. The "official" status of these trainers is perhaps non-existent, to preserve the facade that this is not a NATO-Russia war. But in all frankness and sanity, PP... it saves lives and preserves our interests in Ukraine. So I really think most NATO countries have sent unofficial combat experts to Ukraine.

This is not shameful, nor a lie. It's just war reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whistleblower

You don't blow a whistle to a small group of teen gamers.

It does if you're trying to live out the plot of a YA novel/manga/game. This generation may have a harder time with the barrier between reality and fantasy than any before.

There are procedures for whistle blowing. He didn't follow them. And there was nothing illegal going on, anyway, so nothing to blow about. This was not whistleblowing. It's treason, and you're trying to facillitate it.

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2. Is our government lying to us?

Perhaps the question we should be asking the most, but one most rather avoid. It is either assumed that they are both lying to us and have a right to do so. The man who pointed out the lies is the one they want to punish, not the government engaging in at best questionable behavior.

I don't ever recall a candidate campaigning on a promise to surveil allies. What kind of government engages in behavior it never obtained consent to do and hides that behavior from the governed?

Why is it "questionable behavior"? The government was not spying on U.S. citizens. The people it was spying on was not the governed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Seriously? The military needs to tell people that top secret documents should remain secret? I don't think any of the three things you mentioned have anything to do with this man not understanding law and his mission. It's possible he's triggered by them but that's about it.

You have no idea of how or when he was trained. Obviously, he did not take it seriously.
Why did he have access to so many materials and documents?

Because it was his job.

Didn't he also have family in the military? I bet some of this came from family influence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"

And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.

This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”

Worse than that actually. From the Wapo article I read it sounds like he suffered from that malady constantly found among maga: he thought that he and he alone knew the truth and he wanted to “teach” the others.

[Anonymous]

I like how he "prayed to God" that he wouldn't get caught. He "prayed and prayed". Sounds like God doesn't like MAGA traitors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the times

Later, someone who appeared to be Airman Teixeira drove onto the property in a red pickup truck.

When Times reporters approached the house again, the truck was parked in the driveway. Airman Teixeira’s mother and a man were standing outside in the driveway.

When asked if Airman Teixeira was there and willing to speak, the man said: “He needs to get an attorney if things are flowing the way they are going right now. The Feds will be around soon, I’m sure.”

The NYT found this guy before the feds did? Wonder if FBI agents refused to investigate the case?

And what does that tell you instinctively?

I'm hoping that the FBI hadn't moved on the guy yet because they'd had him under surveillance???? They aren't really as incompetent as this NYT story make them appear, right??? Right???

I just watched the Boston Bombing doc on Netflix. The FBI had images of the suspects fairly quickly and were determining the identity when someone leaked the images. I got the sense it was BPD, but idk. Anyways, the reason the FBI and DOJ didn't want to release them was b/c they didn't want to alert the bombers that they were on to them. Ultimately, FBI had to get out ahead of the leak, and then there was a lot of death and destruction that followed when they tried to escape. Not to mention the bombers' friends trying to destroy evidence once they recognized who it was.

Revealing that the government has been lying about its involvement in Ukraine? Sounds like whistleblowing.

Where's the big lie?

We've been transparent on equipment being transferred. As for other "involvement" the leak said there were 50 US soldiers in Ukraine. 50. Whoopie doo. Four dozen. Like we're supposed to believe that 50 American soldiers are going to take on 200,000 Russian soldiers? The role of those Americans is no doubt to observe, advise and provide training where needed, pretty standard kind of stuff.

That's a FAR cry from the stupid and ridiculous lies your Russian friends have been telling, that they are "fighting NATO troops" and claims that there were no Ukrainian troops at the front, all black GIs from America and other horsecrap.

You say lie? That's pretty ridiculous.

Their role is most likely Embassy security.

+1. It's never been a secret that there are 50 marines protecting the embassy. It was announced when we reopened it after the invasion.

We have special forces in Ukraine training troops

Every US embassy has Marines. It's part of their job. But we do not have special forces in Ukraine training soldiers. That is right wing pro-Russia nonsense.

Many countries do, the US possibly included. That would be wise, not nonsense. The "official" status of these trainers is perhaps non-existent, to preserve the facade that this is not a NATO-Russia war. But in all frankness and sanity, PP... it saves lives and preserves our interests in Ukraine. So I really think most NATO countries have sent unofficial combat experts to Ukraine.

This is not shameful, nor a lie. It's just war reality.

Why would there be special forces in Ukraine itself when Ukrainian soldiers are being trained in NATO countries like the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United States? At this very moment, there are Ukrainian soldiers being trained in Oklahoma. Why would Navy Seals be sent to Ukraine? There's no need. It's simply Russian propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how he "prayed to God" that he wouldn't get caught. He "prayed and prayed". Sounds like God doesn't like MAGA traitors.

And once again, prayer doesn't work.
It didn't stop him from getting caught
It doesn't stop school shootings
It didn't stop covid
It won't stop climate change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"

And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.

Explain Donald Trump leaking top secret documents and revealing sources. As I recall, one of the instances in which he did this was actually to a hostile head of state.

The maga thing is actually pretty relevant. When you have a group of people who think that they’re “lions” and the other people are “sheep,” and they think that only they possess the secret truth, that’s a group problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how he "prayed to God" that he wouldn't get caught. He "prayed and prayed". Sounds like God doesn't like MAGA traitors.

This sums up what I don't understand about some Christians. Christianity isn't something that happens to you. It's something you become closer to. It's an act of giving up of the self desires that do not benefit you or others to become closer to God. Not something that God does to you to make you feel good about yourself. Praying to not get caught on something you know is wrong is obviously not Godly thinking. There seems to be no greater good for him or for others that he was trying to achieve. Just ego boosting.