Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

What about people with mental health disorders that refuse to take their meds? If we agree that obesity is a disease, shouldn’t it be treated?

Yeah, we don't force people to take psychiatric meds either. Or chemotherapy, or the covid vaccine, or literally any medical treatment. Not sure why you think weight loss drugs should be different.

I don’t think they’re mandatory. The problem is what if obese people face further discrimination because others think they should just treat their problem with the meds? That’s what the first PP was saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

What about people with mental health disorders that refuse to take their meds? If we agree that obesity is a disease, shouldn’t it be treated?

Wow. Are you seriously taking the position that obese people must be compelled to take drugs they don’t want to take?

Man. You anti-Ozempic people are insane. Truly nuts. This whole thread is quite a showcase of deep, deep mental disorders on display.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it’s hard to implement at an individual level. People need to be facilitated by their environment. But honestly, most of the people that I know are not obese.

Soooo … we should rely on methods that are proven and well-documented failures at a societal level because your small little world doesn’t include a lot of fat people?

Well, that is one take, I guess.

I’m not saying that. I pointed out that it doesn’t work for many individuals. But there are many people who are able to maintain their weight, so it’s not like a lost cause.

Are you under the impression that due to the existence of Ozempic, etc, that diet and exercise will be outlawed or something?

She must think that. She already was open about how small her world is. Maybe she is Qanon adjacent.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

What about people with mental health disorders that refuse to take their meds? If we agree that obesity is a disease, shouldn’t it be treated?

Yeah, we don't force people to take psychiatric meds either. Or chemotherapy, or the covid vaccine, or literally any medical treatment. Not sure why you think weight loss drugs should be different.

I don’t think they’re mandatory. The problem is what if obese people face further discrimination because others think they should just treat their problem with the meds? That’s what the first PP was saying.

That's definitely not what PP was saying. They have an axe to grind about people who are fat and publicly happy with no weight loss goals "glamorizing" obesity. Weird.

To your point, I do think that as obesity becomes more and more treatable the stigma will increase.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Being obese is unhealthy and many are not willing to take that risk. Drew Manning believes that discipline and personal responsibility does lead to weight loss. To prove it he gained over 60 pounds on purpose and then lost all with diet and exercise. To show it works he did it TWICE.

I have a normal BMI and I've never been obese, but I did gain 15 pounds during covid. I had to make a change in my attitude and eating. Once I did the weight came off.

Agree. Of course telling people to eat heathy and not overeat doesn’t work. They have to actually want to do it and stick to it most of the time. And unfortunately, a lot (most) people that aren’t a heathy weight just don’t really care all that much. At least not at first. Until they get to be obese and then they try to back track and can’t. The chick-fil-A line is literally wrapped around the building. Same with Starbucks and Five Guys. Masses of people waiting in line to eat crap.

I would also add that some people are more disciplined and mentally tough than others. If you grew up sitting on your ass and eating Cheetos, it's going to be an uphill battle and not everyone will be victorious.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Being obese is unhealthy and many are not willing to take that risk. Drew Manning believes that discipline and personal responsibility does lead to weight loss. To prove it he gained over 60 pounds on purpose and then lost all with diet and exercise. To show it works he did it TWICE.

I have a normal BMI and I've never been obese, but I did gain 15 pounds during covid. I had to make a change in my attitude and eating. Once I did the weight came off.

Agree. Of course telling people to eat heathy and not overeat doesn’t work. They have to actually want to do it and stick to it most of the time. And unfortunately, a lot (most) people that aren’t a heathy weight just don’t really care all that much. At least not at first. Until they get to be obese and then they try to back track and can’t. The chick-fil-A line is literally wrapped around the building. Same with Starbucks and Five Guys. Masses of people waiting in line to eat crap.

I would also add that some people are more disciplined and mentally tough than others. If you grew up sitting on your ass and eating Cheetos, it's going to be an uphill battle and not everyone will be victorious.

Yes, I suppose you can’t get smarter.

[Anonymous]

I see GLP-1 drugs deepening prejudice against obesity. People with good insurance or excess funds will use it. My mom is on medicare and a fixed income and cannot afford the $350/month it would cost her, so she'll continue to be obese unless I buy it for her.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

Don’t worry, we are! We’re getting out there and getting our prescriptions for weight loss medicine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

[Anonymous]

Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

95% of people who lose weight by dieting gain it back. Do you think the problem is just that they haven’t read your post yet? Or could it be that telling people to “go out and get it” is not actually an effective way to help them lose weight

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

Don’t worry, we are! We’re getting out there and getting our prescriptions for weight loss medicine.

YES we are!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

Low IQ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

Don’t worry, we are! We’re getting out there and getting our prescriptions for weight loss medicine.

YES we are!

After taking Ozempic and understanding what a metabolically healthy person feels in terms of appetite and hunger, I occasionally get a little resentful that I have to take an expensive pharmaceutical to eat normally and be a normal weight. Then I think about all the people who are seething that I now get to lose weight without punishing myself with intense exercise and constant hunger and it makes it all better.