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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

Why should they be rewarded for their parents' resources?

Why should they be penalized?

How is ignoring the benefits of the resources penalizing them?

Ignoring the benefit of resources was the status quo. The board is giving preference to kids with less resources, thus penalizing kids with resources.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

Why should they be rewarded for their parents' resources?

Why should they be penalized?

How is ignoring the benefits of the resources penalizing them?

Why is it not so?

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

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Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

How many Asians and Latinos entered their names for the WNBA draft? Was it a combined percentage of approximately 15-20%? If not, then your analogy is again garbage.

It goes to how many Asians and Latinos are represented in College teams where the WNBA draws from? A minuscule number. Why - because they are actively discouraged to do so. Google the anti-Asian slurs directed at Jeremy Lin - the last Asian NBA player of note. Easy to call others experience garbage but we don’t expect anything less from you.

Jeremy Lin received an incredible amount of attention - and deservedly so - for his moment of NBA success.

I can't speak to the Latine experience, but Asians are most commonly discouraged from participating in sports by their own parents, not by anyone on their exterior.

Jeremy Lin is actually one of the best examples of the racism Asians face when it comes to sports. He faced racism his entire basketball journey.

Jeremy Lin was a Gatorade Player of the year in California and was first team All State alongside James Harden. He went to Harvard because no one gave him a scholarship.

Then he totally got shafted in the draft. Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey revealed that their models thought Jeremy Lin was a top 15 pick, but the Rockets passed on him because he didn't trust their models on him. His quote: "He’s incredibly athletic,” said Morey. “But the reality is that every f**king person, including me, thought he was unathletic. And I can’t think of any reason for it other than he was Asian.” By some measures, he was the second fastest player in his draft class behind John Wall.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-daryl-morey-on-what-everyone-thought-about-jeremy-lin-before-breakout/

Jeremy Lin went undrafted, bounced around the league and likely would have disappeared if the Knicks hadn't been forced to use him due to injuries.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

How many Asians and Latinos entered their names for the WNBA draft? Was it a combined percentage of approximately 15-20%? If not, then your analogy is again garbage.

It goes to how many Asians and Latinos are represented in College teams where the WNBA draws from? A minuscule number. Why - because they are actively discouraged to do so. Google the anti-Asian slurs directed at Jeremy Lin - the last Asian NBA player of note. Easy to call others experience garbage but we don’t expect anything less from you.

Jeremy Lin received an incredible amount of attention - and deservedly so - for his moment of NBA success.

I can't speak to the Latine experience, but Asians are most commonly discouraged from participating in sports by their own parents, not by anyone on their exterior.

Jeremy Lin is actually one of the best examples of the racism Asians face when it comes to sports. He faced racism his entire basketball journey.

Jeremy Lin was a Gatorade Player of the year in California and was first team All State alongside James Harden. He went to Harvard because no one gave him a scholarship.

Then he totally got shafted in the draft. Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey revealed that their models thought Jeremy Lin was a top 15 pick, but the Rockets passed on him because he didn't trust their models on him. His quote: "He’s incredibly athletic,” said Morey. “But the reality is that every f**king person, including me, thought he was unathletic. And I can’t think of any reason for it other than he was Asian.” By some measures, he was the second fastest player in his draft class behind John Wall.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-daryl-morey-on-what-everyone-thought-about-jeremy-lin-before-breakout/

Jeremy Lin went undrafted, bounced around the league and likely would have disappeared if the Knicks hadn't been forced to use him due to injuries.

Considering how mediocre he was in the NBA, Morey was correct to pass on him

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

Why should they be rewarded for their parents' resources?

Why should they be penalized?

How is ignoring the benefits of the resources penalizing them?

Ignoring the benefit of resources was the status quo. The board is giving preference to kids with less resources, thus penalizing kids with resources.

The status quo was rewarding the resume padding and prepping

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Anonymous wrote:Roberts could have denied the application on his own but he did not. Instead, Roberts referred the matter for the full court because he wants to grant it but not on his own.

He will vote with the majority to grant to vacate. That way, the emergency application is granted and there will be no record of who voted for it and who voted against it and no explanation as well. That way, the application is granted and Roberts didn't have to do it alone and do it publicly.

Looks like the application to vacate will be granted by the full court unsigned unexplained but with precedential value.

Those idiot SB members didn't know they single-handedly ended any affirmative actions for K-12.

Geographic distribution a la Texas or California isn't affirmative action.

It's not just the geographic distribution, but also the "experience factor", as well as the racist intent. Essentially, the geographic distribution is being used as a proxy for race.

In general - I don’t think having some kids from every MS is a bad idea actually.

That's not a bad idea, for a different educational program. TJ's goal is to identify and educate the best students based on demonstrated capability. TJ is not a remedial learning center for under-served communities.

I would start, by having some kind non preppable surprise test, then.

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Will you two with your immense brain power give us an example test question that is not "preppable".

I meant non-prebbable in the sense that you wouldn't know what would be tested in advance.

That's moving the goalpost. No one is advocating for releasing the test questions in advance so that students know what the questions would be to prepare for it. All unleaked tests are "non-prebbable" by your definition.

I do think we should move the goal posts so people can't spend years prepping for the TJ entry exam. I'm not against an entry exam, though.

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This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

How many Asians and Latinos entered their names for the WNBA draft? Was it a combined percentage of approximately 15-20%? If not, then your analogy is again garbage.

It goes to how many Asians and Latinos are represented in College teams where the WNBA draws from? A minuscule number. Why - because they are actively discouraged to do so. Google the anti-Asian slurs directed at Jeremy Lin - the last Asian NBA player of note. Easy to call others experience garbage but we don’t expect anything less from you.

Jeremy Lin received an incredible amount of attention - and deservedly so - for his moment of NBA success.

I can't speak to the Latine experience, but Asians are most commonly discouraged from participating in sports by their own parents, not by anyone on their exterior.

Jeremy Lin is actually one of the best examples of the racism Asians face when it comes to sports. He faced racism his entire basketball journey.

Jeremy Lin was a Gatorade Player of the year in California and was first team All State alongside James Harden. He went to Harvard because no one gave him a scholarship.

Then he totally got shafted in the draft. Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey revealed that their models thought Jeremy Lin was a top 15 pick, but the Rockets passed on him because he didn't trust their models on him. His quote: "He’s incredibly athletic,” said Morey. “But the reality is that every f**king person, including me, thought he was unathletic. And I can’t think of any reason for it other than he was Asian.” By some measures, he was the second fastest player in his draft class behind John Wall.

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-news-daryl-morey-on-what-everyone-thought-about-jeremy-lin-before-breakout/

Jeremy Lin went undrafted, bounced around the league and likely would have disappeared if the Knicks hadn't been forced to use him due to injuries.

Considering how mediocre he was in the NBA, Morey was correct to pass on him

Injuries killed his career. Regardless, what California Gatorade player of the year doesn't pick up a single scholarship offer? You also have GMs admitting to racism.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

How many Asians and Latinos entered their names for the WNBA draft? Was it a combined percentage of approximately 15-20%? If not, then your analogy is again garbage.

It goes to how many Asians and Latinos are represented in College teams where the WNBA draws from? A minuscule number. Why - because they are actively discouraged to do so. Google the anti-Asian slurs directed at Jeremy Lin - the last Asian NBA player of note. Easy to call others experience garbage but we don’t expect anything less from you.

Jeremy Lin received an incredible amount of attention - and deservedly so - for his moment of NBA success.

I can't speak to the Latine experience, but Asians are most commonly discouraged from participating in sports by their own parents, not by anyone on their exterior.

That is not what Jeremy Lin says.

https://people.com/sports/jeremy-lin-speaks-out-about-anti-asian-racism/

But since you are the authority on Asian family dynamics we should listen to you.

Precisely what point were you trying to make by posting that article? It doesn't address the issues that I raised at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

They can provide all of the resources in the world to their children. They just shouldn't expect increased access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities as a consequence.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

They can provide all of the resources in the world to their children. They just shouldn't expect increased access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities as a consequence.

The only expectation is to not be unconstitutionally denied fair access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities. Why is that too much to ask?

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

Why should they be rewarded for their parents' resources?

Why should they be penalized?

How is ignoring the benefits of the resources penalizing them?

Ignoring the benefit of resources was the status quo. The board is giving preference to kids with less resources, thus penalizing kids with resources.

The status quo was rewarding the resume padding and prepping

Still not a justification to penalize kids for having parents that provide resources for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Roberts could have denied the application on his own but he did not. Instead, Roberts referred the matter for the full court because he wants to grant it but not on his own.

He will vote with the majority to grant to vacate. That way, the emergency application is granted and there will be no record of who voted for it and who voted against it and no explanation as well. That way, the application is granted and Roberts didn't have to do it alone and do it publicly.

Looks like the application to vacate will be granted by the full court unsigned unexplained but with precedential value.

Those idiot SB members didn't know they single-handedly ended any affirmative actions for K-12.

Geographic distribution a la Texas or California isn't affirmative action.

It's not just the geographic distribution, but also the "experience factor", as well as the racist intent. Essentially, the geographic distribution is being used as a proxy for race.

In general - I don’t think having some kids from every MS is a bad idea actually.

That's not a bad idea, for a different educational program. TJ's goal is to identify and educate the best students based on demonstrated capability. TJ is not a remedial learning center for under-served communities.

I would start, by having some kind non preppable surprise test, then.

+1000

Will you two with your immense brain power give us an example test question that is not "preppable".

I meant non-prebbable in the sense that you wouldn't know what would be tested in advance.

That's moving the goalpost. No one is advocating for releasing the test questions in advance so that students know what the questions would be to prepare for it. All unleaked tests are "non-prebbable" by your definition.

I do think we should move the goal posts so people can't spend years prepping for the TJ entry exam. I'm not against an entry exam, though.

Again, every exam is prepable. There is no such thing as an example you can't prepare for.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

Why should they be rewarded for their parents' resources?

Why should they be penalized?

How is ignoring the benefits of the resources penalizing them?

Ignoring the benefit of resources was the status quo. The board is giving preference to kids with less resources, thus penalizing kids with resources.

The status quo was rewarding the resume padding and prepping

Still not a justification to penalize kids for having parents that provide resources for them.

It's a reason to discount their effects

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

They can provide all of the resources in the world to their children. They just shouldn't expect increased access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities as a consequence.

I am not sure how you are defining "increased access" in your mind, but if the access is based on open competition of merit, then all is fair.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.

You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court.

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition.

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized?

They can provide all of the resources in the world to their children. They just shouldn't expect increased access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities as a consequence.

The only expectation is to not be unconstitutionally denied fair access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities. Why is that too much to ask?

It isn't. And no one is unconstitutionally denied fair access to anything as a consequence of the new TJ admissions policy. The percentages of each demographic that were eventually admitted for Class of 2025 tracked very well with the percentage of applicants from each of those demographics, suggesting a process that resulted in significantly MORE fair access than existed previously.

This isn't complicated.