Falls Church PAC: noteworthy progression

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

There's very little you can tell about people, players and coaches from one season's record.

If these kids didn't leave when they were being repeatedly blown out at U-9, why would the record in D1 suddenly be so important now? The same coach has been at PAC the whole time (as have several other coaches with whom they train) -- did he suddenly change everything?

That team was NCSL D1 2nd place last year then COVID hit and they lost their top player to Arlington. Actually both forwards left and they just could fill the void this year. They just didn’t have any scoring punch this season. They are extremely talented technically just couldn’t find the back of the net.

No, it is not just not being able to find the back of the net. Only the last place team gave up more goals than PAC did.

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Anonymous wrote:How about we just say, good for them. They may not be heading for college soccer but most DMV players aren't.

If they are reaching their own personal soccer goals of becoming better players and moving from PAC to a larger club because that's their goal, good for them. PAC seems like a solid club for those wanting a smaller less competitive atmosphere and those who start to feel stifled are able to move to other clubs and be happy about it.

If they aren't taking a spot from your kid stop being so negative. Someone saying good job to PAC doesn't mean your club is doing a bad job.

There's room for everyone to play when there are more choices and PAC fills a need, obviously, as they are able to fill and field teams. In the end, we all just want our kids to be their best, keep active, develop as people and in their sport, and take those lessons into their future lives.
Chill.

Someone comes on here talking out their a-ss, they are going to be told about it.

So who's more likely to be doing that -- people who have had a good experience about PAC or people who are just looking up records and don't know a thing about it?

seriously, those people must not realize that they placed two players on Arlington's second team

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I hate to break it to you, but most players improve beyond U9. There are other small clubs that actually field winning teams too. Some of those clubs even manage to send players to top teams of larger clubs

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to break it to you, but most players improve beyond U9. There are other small clubs that actually field winning teams too. Some of those clubs even manage to send players to top teams of larger clubs

Good for them.

So based on seeing these kids from U-9 to today, how would you compare them to these other clubs? Compare to at least five other clubs you've watched in training over the past five years.

you're the one with the obsessive username, maybe you can release your rankings

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

There's very little you can tell about people, players and coaches from one season's record.

If these kids didn't leave when they were being repeatedly blown out at U-9, why would the record in D1 suddenly be so important now? The same coach has been at PAC the whole time (as have several other coaches with whom they train) -- did he suddenly change everything?

That team was NCSL D1 2nd place last year then COVID hit and they lost their top player to Arlington. Actually both forwards left and they just could fill the void this year. They just didn’t have any scoring punch this season. They are extremely talented technically just couldn’t find the back of the net.

No, it is not just not being able to find the back of the net. Only the last place team gave up more goals than PAC did. [/quote

The 2 forwards they lost kept the ball in their opponents end most of the game with that gone if you watched any games since then the ball has been in PAC defensive end majority of the game. If you could track shots on goal PAC would be a -10 or more every game.

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PAC does focus on development more than other local Clubs. From the beginning--PAC was started because of failures at another local club and while they have had some bad coaches they don't tend to last there. Suli understands the principles of the game and how to teach those principles and the club is small enough to allow a consistent approach club-wide. Start with the basics and build.

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

There's very little you can tell about people, players and coaches from one season's record.

If these kids didn't leave when they were being repeatedly blown out at U-9, why would the record in D1 suddenly be so important now? The same coach has been at PAC the whole time (as have several other coaches with whom they train) -- did he suddenly change everything?

That team was NCSL D1 2nd place last year then COVID hit and they lost their top player to Arlington. Actually both forwards left and they just could fill the void this year. They just didn’t have any scoring punch this season. They are extremely talented technically just couldn’t find the back of the net.

No, it is not just not being able to find the back of the net. Only the last place team gave up more goals than PAC did. [/quote

The 2 forwards they lost kept the ball in their opponents end most of the game with that gone if you watched any games since then the ball has been in PAC defensive end majority of the game. If you could track shots on goal PAC would be a -10 or more every game.

So, they were only competitive because two strong athletes carried them, but eventually left for a B team at another club. And with more players leaving now for other clubs, how are the things going to get better? Player departures are not something to brag about.

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As a parent, I am very uncomfortable about people calling out other people’s kids. It’s easy to deduce who they are talking about and an invasion of privacy. If grown @ss adults were talking about kid’s movement amongst clubs and critiquing them ...and I knew who they were...there be some trouble. Just sayin’

Don’t be that douche.

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so let's be honest... all these stud players who are leaving for top teams in arlington and elsewhere... you think when they joined PAC they were just average? come on buddy... those players were talented the day they joined.

I'm sure PAC provided some coaching and teaching the game but they are not miracle workers. Be real.

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Honestly, clubs don't produce elite players, their parents produce them at home and then take them to a club.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, clubs don't produce elite players, their parents produce them at home and then take them to a club.

+1, see pulisic’s youth coaches comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, clubs don't produce elite players, their parents produce them at home and then take them to a club.

+1, see pulisic’s youth coaches comments.

Genetics played a huge part. Both parents D-1 athletes . Semi pro athlete and coach. Even the top Arlington team isn't producing the next Pulisic.

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:Is this turning into a "heredity vs. environment" argument? Are we going to bet $1 that if we swap Tim Weah with a beer-leaguer, they'll rise or sink to that level?

At PAC, I don't see a lot of genetically blessed players. If they were big and fast at U-9, they'd have made an "A" team somewhere else.

Totally agree. I think what Pac has going for them most clubs dont is they are small enough but have talented coaches that can help kids get better and not get lost in the huge herd numbers at bigger clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, clubs don't produce elite players, their parents produce them at home and then take them to a club.

+1
Clubs want you to believe it was all them, but reality is players get to "elite" level only if they're getting individual training outside the club.


Not very familiar with the club, but did these kids leave mid-season? If PAC did have the hand in their development as its being made out, you would think they would've shown some loyalty to team and
club to finish out the season. From my experience, kids/families that leave mid season are usually unhappy about something.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, clubs don't produce elite players, their parents produce them at home and then take them to a club.

+1
Clubs want you to believe it was all them, but reality is players get to "elite" level only if they're getting individual training outside the club.


Not very familiar with the club, but did these kids leave mid-season? If PAC did have the hand in their development as its being made out, you would think they would've shown some loyalty to team and
club to finish out the season. From my experience, kids/families that leave mid season are usually unhappy about something.

Pac as a club wants the players to reach their maximum potential and if its at a higher level than they have at Pac then they help them find a higher level and wish them well.There is never any bitterness or hard feelings.