Falls Church PAC: noteworthy progression

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

have you looked at EDP schedules? DD is in EDP2 and most games are either Baltimore or just outside of Baltimore

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

There's very little you can tell about people, players and coaches from one season's record.

If these kids didn't leave when they were being repeatedly blown out at U-9, why would the record in D1 suddenly be so important now? The same coach has been at PAC the whole time (as have several other coaches with whom they train) -- did he suddenly change everything?

you are what your record says you are. People hold up this club as the ideal, and they really don't seem to be anything special. They are probably in for a rude awakening in EDP unless they get placedin South Atlantic Championship III, in which case they should just stay NCLS and save themselves the gas money.

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5mercury wrote:Arlington Red and the top McLean team aren't the B and C. Arlington Red is their top team - no?

Plus let's be honest: Arlington's Academy program on just on a different level altogether.

Arlington Red is their 2nd team. You even commented that the kid on Red is asked to guest play up on their Academy team. So it goes Academy, Red, White, Blue, Black, Gold, etc.

But it's probably the better move for the kid to play for Arlington Red that PAC because at least Red will play higher divisions in bigger tournaments a league that gets more exposure than...I think PAC 07s will be relegated to NCSL D2. If not, they will be soon after losing their top players.

That PAC 07 team is moving to EDP and is expected to be much stronger next year. Lat year that lost their to top player to Arlingtons top team and he has been one of the top players for Arlington this year.

EDP should be higher than another club’s third team plays (assuming they will be in EDP 1, but maybe/probably not. If they are losing players to Arlington Red, that’s one thing, but losing players to Arlington White is another matter

The one player that left for Arlington white wasnt a top player maybe a top 10 player but not even top 6. The real loss was the 1 kid the lost last spring to Arlington ECNL he's a top player there now. Hard to fill that void especially in a covid year.

PAC 07s lost a player to 07 red last year. Not the academy team. Noone form PAC went to the academy team last year. The one that went to Red does practice and play with the Academy team on occasion and will move up to the Academy team full time next year. Good forward.

Like another poster said...I have no idea how you think you will be stronger next year after losing 4-5 players. But let's say you stay the same, PAC 07s are barely NCSL D1. Maybe getting relegated to D2. If you get accepted to EDP, it will in no possible way be D1 or D2. You will most likely get put in D4, which is like playing rec teams. And that might be OK. The next season you should move up to D3 and then probably stay there based on the talent pool at PAC and the LONG HISTORY of moving top players on to other clubs. So enjoy moving to EDP and maybe getting up to EDP 3 so you can spend most of your weekends in the middle of nowhere, MD. Or maybe playing some start up club with a hodge podge of kids up at Evergreen,

Actually it won't be me in the middle of nowhere. My DD has the same coach as the 07 boys and works out with them quite a bit. But I really think that 07 team will be better next year.

How do your first two sentences correlate? Were they supposed too? What does your daughter have to do with anything?

How can a team that loses it's 3-4 top players be better next year, unless these amazing coaches perform some miracle over the summer by either recruiting better players than they lost (I don't see that happening), developing the current players over the summer (I don't see that happening), or bringing them up from a B team (I don't see that happening). I don't even know if you have a B team though.

PAC's 07 team has a mediocre coach and finished 8th out of 9 teams in its division with 1 win and 7 losses. No wonder the players are leaving.

The coach is fine. Training also includes many coaches.

for a team that thinks highly enough of itself to be moving up to a higher league and brags about how good its players are, 1-7 does not appear to be a good coaching jobs

There's very little you can tell about people, players and coaches from one season's record.

If these kids didn't leave when they were being repeatedly blown out at U-9, why would the record in D1 suddenly be so important now? The same coach has been at PAC the whole time (as have several other coaches with whom they train) -- did he suddenly change everything?

That team was NCSL D1 2nd place last year then COVID hit and they lost their top player to Arlington. Actually both forwards left and they just could fill the void this year. They just didn’t have any scoring punch this season. They are extremely talented technically just couldn’t find the back of the net.

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Anonymous wrote:you are what your record says you are.

No, you're not. Especially when you're talking about eight games out of 30 or so played in a year. Especially when you're talking about a team that started out in D5.

Why they've lost some games this season, I don't know. We're talking about kids who aren't even in high school yet. Things happen.

But the people who rave about their training because they've been there might just be able to tell you a bit more than a glance at the NCSL standings can. A bit.

sure they have them most amazing program and their training is the best in the known universe, the just went 1-7, after going 4-4-1. They seem to play in lower brackets at tournaments and neither win nor lose. In short there appears to be absolutely nothing special or unique about them, but people fall over themselves praising them

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Just looked them up. they are ranked 53rd in VA. Why are we talking about these guys? I've also seen them play winter Alexandria futsal. Got killed. Not sure where the claim of being skillful came in. Also saw them at Arlington ASIST. Average team a weak team in 3rd division. If that's your standard...then that's your standard.

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Anonymous wrote:you are what your record says you are.

No, you're not. Especially when you're talking about eight games out of 30 or so played in a year. Especially when you're talking about a team that started out in D5.

Why they've lost some games this season, I don't know. We're talking about kids who aren't even in high school yet. Things happen.

But the people who rave about their training because they've been there might just be able to tell you a bit more than a glance at the NCSL standings can. A bit.

sure they have them most amazing program and their training is the best in the known universe, the just went 1-7, after going 4-4-1. They seem to play in lower brackets at tournaments and neither win nor lose. In short there appears to be absolutely nothing special or unique about them, but people fall over themselves praising them

Look at the fall 2019 record. There was no spring when covid hit. So fall 2000 and this spring 2001 they had a scoring void because both starting forwards left . Yes they were that good the ball stayed in the opponents 1/3 70% of the game. But as the club continues to do. They develop players from these teams without chasing team championships. They do what’s right for the player. That’s why you see PAC player leave for top level teams while other big clubs keep kids trapped on B and C Teams within their clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:you are what your record says you are.

No, you're not. Especially when you're talking about eight games out of 30 or so played in a year. Especially when you're talking about a team that started out in D5.

Why they've lost some games this season, I don't know. We're talking about kids who aren't even in high school yet. Things happen.

But the people who rave about their training because they've been there might just be able to tell you a bit more than a glance at the NCSL standings can. A bit.

sure they have them most amazing program and their training is the best in the known universe, the just went 1-7, after going 4-4-1. They seem to play in lower brackets at tournaments and neither win nor lose. In short there appears to be absolutely nothing special or unique about them, but people fall over themselves praising them

Seems like you're the only one falling over yourself with how sour you are. If you read or comprehended (clearly not) the posts by PAC families you will see they are highlighting that some players from PAC are developed to become top contributors on other clubs' top 1-2 teams. Why are you souring on what their record is? Your assumptions based on records alone showcases your wisdom. As Ranting said, take it from the families that are still at PAC or have been through the program at some point in time.

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I agree. I wouldn't brag about putting someone of Arlington's 3rd team. As for one or two on Arlington Red...I mean not bad but is it really because of some development at PAC. Maybe the two kids just grew. and got faster, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I wouldn't brag about putting someone of Arlington's 3rd team. As for one or two on Arlington Red...I mean not bad but is it really because of some development at PAC. Maybe the two kids just grew. and got faster, etc.

Well, even Red, past U13 Red isn't even Arlington's top team anymore.

If you are a small club and your getting kids placed on DC United or other actual Top Teams, not just teams in large clubs that is actually pretty impressive and a brand a small club could market.

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Anonymous wrote:you are what your record says you are.

No, you're not. Especially when you're talking about eight games out of 30 or so played in a year. Especially when you're talking about a team that started out in D5.

Why they've lost some games this season, I don't know. We're talking about kids who aren't even in high school yet. Things happen.

But the people who rave about their training because they've been there might just be able to tell you a bit more than a glance at the NCSL standings can. A bit.

sure they have them most amazing program and their training is the best in the known universe, the just went 1-7, after going 4-4-1. They seem to play in lower brackets at tournaments and neither win nor lose. In short there appears to be absolutely nothing special or unique about them, but people fall over themselves praising them

Look at the fall 2019 record. There was no spring when covid hit. So fall 2000 and this spring 2001 they had a scoring void because both starting forwards left . Yes they were that good the ball stayed in the opponents 1/3 70% of the game. But as the club continues to do. They develop players from these teams without chasing team championships. They do what’s right for the player. That’s why you see PAC player leave for top level teams while other big clubs keep kids trapped on B and C Teams within their clubs.

fall 19 they were 6-2-1 and third in their division. 1-2 in their November tournament and 1-2 in their august tournament. That seems like an ok team, but nothing to fawn over

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How about we just say, good for them. They may not be heading for college soccer but most DMV players aren't.

If they are reaching their own personal soccer goals of becoming better players and moving from PAC to a larger club because that's their goal, good for them. PAC seems like a solid club for those wanting a smaller less competitive atmosphere and those who start to feel stifled are able to move to other clubs and be happy about it.

If they aren't taking a spot from your kid stop being so negative. Someone saying good job to PAC doesn't mean your club is doing a bad job.

There's room for everyone to play when there are more choices and PAC fills a need, obviously, as they are able to fill and field teams. In the end, we all just want our kids to be their best, keep active, develop as people and in their sport, and take those lessons into their future lives.
Chill.

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Anonymous wrote:How about we just say, good for them. They may not be heading for college soccer but most DMV players aren't.

If they are reaching their own personal soccer goals of becoming better players and moving from PAC to a larger club because that's their goal, good for them. PAC seems like a solid club for those wanting a smaller less competitive atmosphere and those who start to feel stifled are able to move to other clubs and be happy about it.

If they aren't taking a spot from your kid stop being so negative. Someone saying good job to PAC doesn't mean your club is doing a bad job.

There's room for everyone to play when there are more choices and PAC fills a need, obviously, as they are able to fill and field teams. In the end, we all just want our kids to be their best, keep active, develop as people and in their sport, and take those lessons into their future lives.
Chill.

Someone comes on here talking out their a-ss, they are going to be told about it.