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Anonymous
The "get over yourself" post /rebuttal makes sense. How many kids fence? Go to girl scouts functions in middle and high school? High school social events, chillin, hang-outs, hook-ups, slam pieces. All this stuff is evening adventures totally unrelated to school AND parents. Get real . |
Anonymous
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OP, you raise a good question that highlights a real problem, in my opinion, with single sex education. I went to a top local all girls school and would not consider sending my daughter to one. Not because I want her to have boyfriends, but I want her to be comfortable dealing with boys/men in everyday social situations and not view dealing with the opposite sex as some major event. In my experience, what girls may gain (and to me it is a big MAY) in self-confidence from being in class with just girls is cancelled out when they go to a co-ed college. The prospect of a readily available social life takes precedence, and they place too much importance on it, without having the skills to deal with it appropriately.
Co-ed is the way to go. |
Anonymous
| DH and I were just having this conversation on the way home form work tonight. I went all girls and mentioned that I don't see it as a problem (a female colleague of DH had mentioned that it was a problem). I work in a profession hat is dominated by men and have never had a problem dealing with men or interacting with them. DH agreed, mentioning that I have always had good relationships with my male colleagues (we work in the same field). I think going all girls gave me a confidence I would not have had if I had gone co-ed. All girls may not be for everyone but I feel very confident that it contributed to my success. |
Anonymous
| I disagree with 19:55. I went to a girls' school and saw at Harvard that the graduates of girls' schools were the women who spoke up in class and had the most self-confidence. Coed-school grads remarked that you could always tell a girls'-school grad by her self-confident manner. High school is a time when girls are vulnerable to domination in classroom discussion by boys, the temptation to dumb themselves down to be popular with boys, and the social distraction of boys in the classroom. I will send my DD to a girls' school when she is old enough. |
Anonymous
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19:48 - since you feel so strongly, why don't you tell us what school your DS goes to - that way we can try to ensure they never receive another invitation from the Holton girls. I have enjoyed reading some of the posts on this thread (despite your obnoxious beginning). However your snide comments everytime you post a response on this thread leave much to be desired.
Apparently you too are lacking the perspicacity that you accuse the Holton girls of, which is the reason you do not understand why there is so much vitriol directed toward you because of your posts. |
Anonymous
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PP wondering how many people fence? I don't
know but both my son and daughter think it sounds really cool and are looking forward to trying it at Holton camp this summer. Just because a gaggle of kids are hanging out at the mall, McDonald's, or whatever during the school year doesn't mean they will be better educated or adapted to later social interactions than kids that do other things instead. And there is also plenty of time in the summer for just plain fun. |
Anonymous
19:48 here. I have never accused the Holton girls of perspicacity. |
Anonymous
My point is that your posts consistently imply that the Holton girls LACK perspicacity. |
Anonymous
I know what you meant. I was just joking with you! |
Anonymous
| Do you honestly think that the invitations read at lunchtime come from the Holton STUDENTS?? They come from the administration and are issued to multiple schools, not just yours. |
Anonymous
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Please re-read my post and not make unfounded assumptions. The invitations are issued in the name of the Holton middle schoolers. What person at Holton actually authorizes the communication of the invitation to area schools? I do not know. However, I certainly did not think it was the girls themselves. Moreover, I never said that the invitations were to one school only. In fact, the invitations as posted on the bulletin boards list all the schools that are invited.
I have said all I wanted to say about these dance invitations. It is clear that there is nothing to be gained by further discussion. |
Anonymous
| I'm a product of an all-girls' school and loved it. I have NEVER had any problem meeting or getting along with boys/men, and I credit much of my success in life to the confidence instilled in me at my school. We never had to worry about what to wear to school (uniforms, thank goodness) or whether some guy would think we were nerdy or jocky or whatever stupid things adolescent boys label girls who are confident. And you know what? In college and later, I found that there were plenty of guys who were attracted to confident women! And I wasn't interested in the ones who weren't. If you have a daughter who's interested in a girls' school, check it out! (On the other hand, I wouldn't force it on a girl who isn't interested.) |
Anonymous
| Someone else revived this post by linking it to the Landon thread. Does anyone else think MIDDLE SCHOOLERS ARE TOO YOUNG TO GO TO DANCES?? My 7th grade boy at a single sex school thought those invitations were just "weird." Some of his classmates have started going to the dances, and I am so glad he has not. Why on earth are the schools encouraging this sort of behavior for 12/13 year olds in our hyper-sexualized culture? Ridiculous. |
Anonymous
I think in middle school the girls are generally much more interested in dances than the boys are; there are exceptions of course. And then there are the parents, some of whom are, I think, excessively interested in getting their middle-schoolers to meet up with the opposite sex at dances. The result is that many boys are pushed into a form of socializing that they do not enjoy and for which they are not ready. One may say that attending the dances is optional, but there is in fact peer pressure involved. My son was a 7th-grader at a boys' school last year, and he hated going to the sister schools' dances, but I made him attend because he was new and I felt he needed to give the dances a try and meet people. This year he's in 8th grade at the same school, and we have an understanding that he will go to maybe half the dances. He now half-enjoys the dances as a place to socialize with his classmates, 'though he still thinks the girls act strange. The troubling thing, he reports, is that this year a small fraction of the boys and girls (more one girl than any of the other girls) have started freak-dancing. At a private birthday party held off school property this fall, a small group of kids were freak-dancing in plain view of the parents who were hosting (whom I don't know well), and my son says the parents did nothing to stop the freak-dancing. I am going to be hesitant to have my son attend a dance off school property unless I know the parents well. I am also going to be fidning out whether freak-dancing is being tolerated at school dances. I have heard that in the upper school nothing is done about freak-dancing, even at school dances. |
Anonymous
| Naive parent here. What is freak dancing (I think I can guess)? Would you mind saying what schools we're talking about that sponsor the dances where this is occuring with middle schoolers? |