When will covid vaccines be done with the EMERGENCY approval status?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure PP is glad to hear it and will cease that line of criticism.

Although some of us want long term information, preferably 2+ years.

So you have never taken a newer medication? Like biologics? Or statins when they were new? Plenty of medication is fully approved and have had FAR less data and test cases than these vaccines and people take them all the time. And sometimes approved medications are recalled.

I could imagine mRNA has some long term risk, maybe even something terrible like cancer because of DNA encoding errors (just making stuff up) but it’s not like it’s going to change from month 4 to 6. It’s likely either a very short term inflammation risk or a years long something else risk.

And COVID has a very clear short term risk, and honestly could likely have long term risk similar to HPV and shingles, it’s a pretty wide ranging and impacting virus, so I would gamble on vaccine over COVID. Maybe Novavax will be better but won’t be authorized for months, and likely won’t have approval for longer since so few people will be taking it (since so many took mRNA).

If I was a childless hermit who could isolate forever, I would wait for Novavax. But I’m not so mRNA it is.

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

Until all the kids can be vaccinated that isn’t going to happen. I will wait until it’s approved for children since I am smaller than many children.

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

So, essentially your objection is either emotional or political rather than medical. Since that's the case, why would you care what the medical data say or what approval level has been given, or how many years of data we collect? Serious question. If your concern is medical, then your irritation at others' encouraging people to get it would not affect your level of skepticism.

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

Until all the kids can be vaccinated that isn’t going to happen. I will wait until it’s approved for children since I am smaller than many children.

Me too. Does that matter? Do you mean approved for emergency use or full approval?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure PP is glad to hear it and will cease that line of criticism.

Although some of us want long term information, preferably 2+ years.

So you have never taken a newer medication? Like biologics? Or statins when they were new? Plenty of medication is fully approved and have had FAR less data and test cases than these vaccines and people take them all the time. And sometimes approved medications are recalled.

I could imagine mRNA has some long term risk, maybe even something terrible like cancer because of DNA encoding errors (just making stuff up) but it’s not like it’s going to change from month 4 to 6. It’s likely either a very short term inflammation risk or a years long something else risk.

And COVID has a very clear short term risk, and honestly could likely have long term risk similar to HPV and shingles, it’s a pretty wide ranging and impacting virus, so I would gamble on vaccine over COVID. Maybe Novavax will be better but won’t be authorized for months, and likely won’t have approval for longer since so few people will be taking it (since so many took mRNA).

If I was a childless hermit who could isolate forever, I would wait for Novavax. But I’m not so mRNA it is.

No I have never taken much more than a vitamin and a few OTC pain relievers very sparingly.

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

Until all the kids can be vaccinated that isn’t going to happen. I will wait until it’s approved for children since I am smaller than many children.

Me too. Does that matter? Do you mean approved for emergency use or full approval?

I will wait for full approval for my children and myself. If it’s not safe for kids, it’s not safe for me.

[Anonymous]

Once it's not under EUA places of business can start requiring their employees to get it. So can schools etc.

So then hospital systems can require all their employees to get the vaccine. Public schools can require it.

It will certainly be a good step forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

Until all the kids can be vaccinated that isn’t going to happen. I will wait until it’s approved for children since I am smaller than many children.

Me too. Does that matter? Do you mean approved for emergency use or full approval?

I will wait for full approval for my children and myself. If it’s not safe for kids, it’s not safe for me.

Stupid question but won't that be 2022? At that point won't it have mutated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once it's not under EUA places of business can start requiring their employees to get it. So can schools etc.

So then hospital systems can require all their employees to get the vaccine. Public schools can require it.

It will certainly be a good step forward.

Remember that some of us will take our religious exemption. It’s still America for God’s sake. The Communists aren’t yet totally controlling us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once it's not under EUA places of business can start requiring their employees to get it. So can schools etc.

So then hospital systems can require all their employees to get the vaccine. Public schools can require it.

It will certainly be a good step forward.

Remember that some of us will take our religious exemption. It’s still America for God’s sake. The Communists aren’t yet totally controlling us.

Genuinely curious - is your religious objection specific to the covid vaccine or is it for all vaccines? If the former, what's the basis of the religious objection? (I promise I really want to understand - not trying to start a fight.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

How long do you think it takes to analyze that much data and pull together an analysis with full discussion section? Honest question.

Shouldn't be that long if kids are being vaccinated soon. That went quickly

Someone is preparing a complete analysis on six months of data of giving COVID vaccines to kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

Yes, maybe by this afternoon.

So when the FDA waves its magic wand, will we see a jump in vaccination rate?

They will find something else...maybe they can start saying vaccines cause autism again.

Out of my family and circle of friends I was the first to line up for every other vaccine, flu, Tdap, hepatitis vaccines. I am not getting this one though, at least not until it has been approved for a year or so. Call me all the names you want, it’s help turning me off to the vaccines even more.

It’s totally true that the onslaught of threats and shaming in this country, is only making people more suspicious of the real agenda here.

The fing real agenda is to end the pandemic, which requires us all working together and shouldering the vaccine risk. We only get community spread down by vaccination or real lockdowns, and we already learned Americans can’t lock down to save their mother.

Until all the kids can be vaccinated that isn’t going to happen. I will wait until it’s approved for children since I am smaller than many children.

Me too. Does that matter? Do you mean approved for emergency use or full approval?

I will wait for full approval for my children and myself. If it’s not safe for kids, it’s not safe for me.

Sensible perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My friends want the vaccine when it gets the normal approval. Presumably higher safety standards must FIRST be proven.

Just curious what higher “safety standards” are you expecting to see proven?

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the difference between “approval” and “authorization”, as far as vaccines are concerned?

emergency use authorization is granted when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. In this case, 2 months of data was required along with the fact that there was no adequate approved alternative.

approval requires 6 months of data

Tick tock. It's been 6 months. Should be approved any day no?

How long do you think it takes to analyze that much data and pull together an analysis with full discussion section? Honest question.

Shouldn't be that long if kids are being vaccinated soon. That went quickly

Someone is preparing a complete analysis on six months of data of giving COVID vaccines to kids?

Pfizer started trials in kids 12+ last July So they should have six months of data pretty soon.

https://www.pfizer.com/science/clinical-trials/children