European Super League plan

[Anonymous]

It’s all about the money. Elite soccer players move to Europe for more money. Elite basketball players move to the US for NBA, etc. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ we already have pro leagues. The camaraderie and fun of the Olympics was ruined.

Only reason team sports were added to Olympics was to make the entire Olympic spectacle worth watching at all. How is Olympic soccer a thing when there are like various levels of pro-leagues showcasing human achievements daily rather than ever 4 years..?

Yes. To continue on this tangent. Olympics should be the sports no one watches except for the Olympics (track & field, gymnastics, ice skating, skiing, field hockey, volleyball, swimming, etc.) with the major pro sports (soccer, b-ball, tennis, golf, baseball, hockey) eliminated. People will still watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ we already have pro leagues. The camaraderie and fun of the Olympics was ruined.

Only reason team sports were added to Olympics was to make the entire Olympic spectacle worth watching at all. How is Olympic soccer a thing when there are like various levels of pro-leagues showcasing human achievements daily rather than ever 4 years..?

Yes. To continue on this tangent. Olympics should be the sports no one watches except for the Olympics (track & field, gymnastics, ice skating, skiing, field hockey, volleyball, swimming, etc.) with the major pro sports (soccer, b-ball, tennis, golf, baseball, hockey) eliminated. People will still watch.

+1

Can add more things like snowboarding ...and who doesn’t watch women’s beach volleyball .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ we already have pro leagues. The camaraderie and fun of the Olympics was ruined.

Only reason team sports were added to Olympics was to make the entire Olympic spectacle worth watching at all. How is Olympic soccer a thing when there are like various levels of pro-leagues showcasing human achievements daily rather than ever 4 years..?

Yes. To continue on this tangent. Olympics should be the sports no one watches except for the Olympics (track & field, gymnastics, ice skating, skiing, field hockey, volleyball, swimming, etc.) with the major pro sports (soccer, b-ball, tennis, golf, baseball, hockey) eliminated. People will still watch.

Sure, 7.5 billion people, some of them will watch. But Coke, Nike, Puma, UBS, etc aren't signing up to be mega sponsors/donors for a niche 4-year competition of obscure athletes who'll get 10 minutes of fame on Twitter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea.
A few rich teams owned by oligarchs taking all the money. Bad for football, terrible for smaller teams and the awful for fans. So much greed and power from a very small group of people.
Very sad.

When someone invests billions of dollars in their franchise, they want to protect their investment. Super League is how they do that. Long gone are the times where local supporters are the ones who keep the clubs afloat. TV and merchandising are their primary revenue streams, not ticket sales. You also have many foreign owners with no allegiance to the old system that has been in place for decades. The American owners of clubs are probably the biggest supporters of a Super League being that is how American sports have operated, since their inception. There are more Manchester United fans outside of England than in it. They would rather see them play Real Madrid and PSG than watch them play Burnley twice a year. These big clubs have to make Champions League and do fairly well in it in order to pay these ridiculous prices for players. They are taking that gamble out of play to ensure they always get to that level. I actually don't blame them. They are a business and can do what they want. I don't really like it personally, but youth soccer here does the same thing just on a much smaller level. It all comes down to money in the end.

Soccer should not be following the US model.

Maybe not, but the fact is no team from outside the top 5 major leagues in Europe has won Champions League in over 15 years and that was Porto. Then you have to go back another 10 to find the second closest in Ajax. These smaller leagues have even less of a shot now then they did back then. This might make Europa League a better tournament and relative again.

The current winner isn’t part of this super league

I just said top 5 leagues, not whether they have publicly stated they will be in the Super League. You can bet Bayern will join too when they see how much money these other clubs are making.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea.
A few rich teams owned by oligarchs taking all the money. Bad for football, terrible for smaller teams and the awful for fans. So much greed and power from a very small group of people.
Very sad.

When someone invests billions of dollars in their franchise, they want to protect their investment. Super League is how they do that. Long gone are the times where local supporters are the ones who keep the clubs afloat. TV and merchandising are their primary revenue streams, not ticket sales. You also have many foreign owners with no allegiance to the old system that has been in place for decades. The American owners of clubs are probably the biggest supporters of a Super League being that is how American sports have operated, since their inception. There are more Manchester United fans outside of England than in it. They would rather see them play Real Madrid and PSG than watch them play Burnley twice a year. These big clubs have to make Champions League and do fairly well in it in order to pay these ridiculous prices for players. They are taking that gamble out of play to ensure they always get to that level. I actually don't blame them. They are a business and can do what they want. I don't really like it personally, but youth soccer here does the same thing just on a much smaller level. It all comes down to money in the end.

Soccer should not be following the US model.

Maybe not, but the fact is no team from outside the top 5 major leagues in Europe has won Champions League in over 15 years and that was Porto. Then you have to go back another 10 to find the second closest in Ajax. These smaller leagues have even less of a shot now then they did back then. This might make Europa League a better tournament and relative again.

The current winner isn’t part of this super league

I just said top 5 leagues, not whether they have publicly stated they will be in the Super League. You can bet Bayern will join too when they see how much money these other clubs are making.

German clubs are fan owned. They won't join.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea.
A few rich teams owned by oligarchs taking all the money. Bad for football, terrible for smaller teams and the awful for fans. So much greed and power from a very small group of people.
Very sad.

When someone invests billions of dollars in their franchise, they want to protect their investment. Super League is how they do that. Long gone are the times where local supporters are the ones who keep the clubs afloat. TV and merchandising are their primary revenue streams, not ticket sales. You also have many foreign owners with no allegiance to the old system that has been in place for decades. The American owners of clubs are probably the biggest supporters of a Super League being that is how American sports have operated, since their inception. There are more Manchester United fans outside of England than in it. They would rather see them play Real Madrid and PSG than watch them play Burnley twice a year. These big clubs have to make Champions League and do fairly well in it in order to pay these ridiculous prices for players. They are taking that gamble out of play to ensure they always get to that level. I actually don't blame them. They are a business and can do what they want. I don't really like it personally, but youth soccer here does the same thing just on a much smaller level. It all comes down to money in the end.

Soccer should not be following the US model.

Maybe not, but the fact is no team from outside the top 5 major leagues in Europe has won Champions League in over 15 years and that was Porto. Then you have to go back another 10 to find the second closest in Ajax. These smaller leagues have even less of a shot now then they did back then. This might make Europa League a better tournament and relative again.

The current winner isn’t part of this super league

I just said top 5 leagues, not whether they have publicly stated they will be in the Super League. You can bet Bayern will join too when they see how much money these other clubs are making.

German clubs are fan owned. They won't join.

Not entirely.

Bayern Munich sold 24.99% of the club to Audi, Telekom, and another shyt I can’t remember.

Get off your high horse - all about money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea.
A few rich teams owned by oligarchs taking all the money. Bad for football, terrible for smaller teams and the awful for fans. So much greed and power from a very small group of people.
Very sad.

When someone invests billions of dollars in their franchise, they want to protect their investment. Super League is how they do that. Long gone are the times where local supporters are the ones who keep the clubs afloat. TV and merchandising are their primary revenue streams, not ticket sales. You also have many foreign owners with no allegiance to the old system that has been in place for decades. The American owners of clubs are probably the biggest supporters of a Super League being that is how American sports have operated, since their inception. There are more Manchester United fans outside of England than in it. They would rather see them play Real Madrid and PSG than watch them play Burnley twice a year. These big clubs have to make Champions League and do fairly well in it in order to pay these ridiculous prices for players. They are taking that gamble out of play to ensure they always get to that level. I actually don't blame them. They are a business and can do what they want. I don't really like it personally, but youth soccer here does the same thing just on a much smaller level. It all comes down to money in the end.

Soccer should not be following the US model.

Maybe not, but the fact is no team from outside the top 5 major leagues in Europe has won Champions League in over 15 years and that was Porto. Then you have to go back another 10 to find the second closest in Ajax. These smaller leagues have even less of a shot now then they did back then. This might make Europa League a better tournament and relative again.

The current winner isn’t part of this super league

I just said top 5 leagues, not whether they have publicly stated they will be in the Super League. You can bet Bayern will join too when they see how much money these other clubs are making.

German clubs are fan owned. They won't join.

Not entirely.

Bayern Munich sold 24.99% of the club to Audi, Telekom, and another shyt I can’t remember.

Get off your high horse - all about money.

Think 51% or something is owned by fans. There's some sort of league rule in Germany although I'm not sure of the details - but it makes it much harder to acquire total control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great result. Best teams play each other and they keep the money. Everyone will watch.

one or two US teams will be added before long.

It's all part and parcel of global fascism. Huge corporations, huge (soon to be global) government, big tech, big pharma, big olympics. Massive corruption everywhere. And all the wealth flows into the hands of a tiny minority and screw everyone else. Big soccer just latest small piece of the puzzle.

A tad pessimistic for the morning.

The idea that the top clubs don't get more of the money they generate is not right. Now should they share some to promote the game -- yes. But not as much as they are now. Everyone will still compete full out because everyone wants to win. Only one tream can be champion but fishing at the bottom would not be good. Instead of moping around people should be happy. This league will run its course. A new one will emerge. This is just life.

No - it's not just life. We have created institutions and laws that centralize power and create monopolies out of everything by preventing free and fair competition. That is what leads to this situation where a tiny handful of people get all the wealth. It is not a just or fair outcome - it is the product of a very long chain of rule changes to our society which allow the very wealthy and unscrupulous to steal from the rest of us, which in turn ensures that the unscrupulous become even wealthier and consolidate power in their own hands and change the rules further. That's how we got where we are - and the European Super League is just one tiny aspect of everything that is wrong with our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea.
A few rich teams owned by oligarchs taking all the money. Bad for football, terrible for smaller teams and the awful for fans. So much greed and power from a very small group of people.
Very sad.

When someone invests billions of dollars in their franchise, they want to protect their investment. Super League is how they do that. Long gone are the times where local supporters are the ones who keep the clubs afloat. TV and merchandising are their primary revenue streams, not ticket sales. You also have many foreign owners with no allegiance to the old system that has been in place for decades. The American owners of clubs are probably the biggest supporters of a Super League being that is how American sports have operated, since their inception. There are more Manchester United fans outside of England than in it. They would rather see them play Real Madrid and PSG than watch them play Burnley twice a year. These big clubs have to make Champions League and do fairly well in it in order to pay these ridiculous prices for players. They are taking that gamble out of play to ensure they always get to that level. I actually don't blame them. They are a business and can do what they want. I don't really like it personally, but youth soccer here does the same thing just on a much smaller level. It all comes down to money in the end.

Soccer should not be following the US model.

Maybe not, but the fact is no team from outside the top 5 major leagues in Europe has won Champions League in over 15 years and that was Porto. Then you have to go back another 10 to find the second closest in Ajax. These smaller leagues have even less of a shot now then they did back then. This might make Europa League a better tournament and relative again.

The current winner isn’t part of this super league

I just said top 5 leagues, not whether they have publicly stated they will be in the Super League. You can bet Bayern will join too when they see how much money these other clubs are making.

German clubs are fan owned. They won't join.

Not entirely.

Bayern Munich sold 24.99% of the club to Audi, Telekom, and another shyt I can’t remember.

Get off your high horse - all about money.

good for Audi, 50% plus 1 is owned by fans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%2B1_rule

[Anonymous]

Breaking news - Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, and Athletico Madrid are pulling out of the proposed Super League.

[Anonymous]

So now, it is the stupor league!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news - Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, and Athletico Madrid are pulling out of the proposed Super League.

Where’s the link h0?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news - Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, and Athletico Madrid are pulling out of the proposed Super League.

Yeah. I didn't think they could make this work with the amount of push back all around the world they were going to get.

[Anonymous]

I love Pep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ddu3rFO8Ag

"It's not sport when there is no relation between effort and success. It's not a sport if it doesn't matter if you lose."

"The situation of the Super League has to be clarified and why have they taken these decisions. Why is Ajax not involved with their success?! Explain this."