2021 Appeals - Who's appealing & doing WISC?

[Anonymous]

Can GBRS be questioned for clarification?

[Anonymous]

If we appeal with a WISC and are found ineligible, if we apply again in 3rd grade, do we need to submit the WISC again? Or if we choose to hold it back, then do they see it from appeal packet?

Similarly, if we write a letter in our appeal but are not found eligible, will the letter and the information in it stay in the file and be seen again if we apply again in 3rd grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi

For my daughter:
2nd grade
NNAT 150
GBRS: 2FO,2 CO

There was a section that says: Accommodation provided for student. Area of strength in Maths and Reading.

For my kid, it is No in Maths.

Question:
a) Do you know what the above means. Are these supposed to be both YEs
b) Her commentary says he is great problem solver
c) What test would you recommend since NNAT is High- should we do WISC or Kaufman or CAS or Stanford


Please provide inputs on how we can make the case. We also changed schools and the daughter was in pull out group in old school. What do you recommend we put in the appeal? The AART is not helping at all.

My kid got in first round last year with the same NNAT and GPRS. Plus DRA 30 and COGAT 141.
My kid is good at Math, much more than Reading; and the teacher's comments in GPRS report was almost about Math. However, in the "Area of strengh in Maths and Reading", only Reading was checked. The same as your kid.
I contacted the AART, she told me that he's good at math, but he was not taught Advance Math at school. Thus Math was checked No.
Hope that helps!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we appeal with a WISC and are found ineligible, if we apply again in 3rd grade, do we need to submit the WISC again? Or if we choose to hold it back, then do they see it from appeal packet?

Similarly, if we write a letter in our appeal but are not found eligible, will the letter and the information in it stay in the file and be seen again if we apply again in 3rd grade?

Each year is a new application. You can choose what you want to be included or not. next year, you'd have a whole new set of work samples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we appeal with a WISC and are found ineligible, if we apply again in 3rd grade, do we need to submit the WISC again? Or if we choose to hold it back, then do they see it from appeal packet?

Similarly, if we write a letter in our appeal but are not found eligible, will the letter and the information in it stay in the file and be seen again if we apply again in 3rd grade?

Each year is a new application. You can choose what you want to be included or not. next year, you'd have a whole new set of work samples.

We included it for 3rd grade application. What is helpful is that the school put in the scores (including subscores) into their assessment form. We had high test scores, so it all showed up on the school's submission along with NAAT, CogAt, DRA etc to show a complete numerical picture.

[Anonymous]

If you write a letter for an appeal, who do you address it to? Ie. Dear Appeals Committee? Or Dear...?

Help! Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can GBRS be questioned for clarification?

No

[Anonymous]

Just found out there are 4 OO in the GBRS; in the area of strength, both math and reading are checked yes. NNAT 139. No other test score. Is this a solid case for appeal? Do we need to take the WISC? Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just found out there are 4 OO in the GBRS; in the area of strength, both math and reading are checked yes. NNAT 139. No other test score. Is this a solid case for appeal? Do we need to take the WISC? Thanks!

4 OO is the lowest score possible for the GBRSs. I would look at the comments carefully and figure out how to address what they say are weaknesses and explain how he is really strong in those areas. Do not say that the Teachers were wrong but find examples and work samples that demonstrate those specific areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I have different take on WISC. We had it done last year and it was very high 99.9+%. (DC also had very high Cogat of over 140, but GBRS was FOs.) It didn't work on the appeal. However, this is the reason why I think you should get it if you can afford it. If the WISC score is really high then, even if the appeal doesn't work, (1) you can share that with your local school principal and AART as one of the reasons why your child should get into principal placement local LIV and (2) you can also share the WISC score next year with your AART and home room teacher in the beginning of the year to talk through your child's assessment and why you think advanced academics would be helpful for him/her.

What are they doing in class now that demonstrates it?

Sure, WISC can maybe help in principal placement. I am unfortunately at a center school. So that doesn’t work....

What exactly is "principle placement"? I'm in a local IV school and as a matter of fact, the AART called to encourage me (also expressed surprise/disappointment that DD did not get IN), From the package teachers gave her pretty strong support (3 CO, 1 FO). But AART never mentioned any possibility of "principle placement", only gave some recommendation on what to look for in new work samples. So does the “principle placement" possibly happen after exhausting my appeal or i can directly apply for it with local AART? We would stay at local AAP any ways because of being in immersion program.

Most schools with a Local Level IV do not have enough kids accepted into AAP by the Committee to fill an entire class. Schools with a Local Program will fill the class with kids that the Principal Places. Many times kids who were in-pool or parent referred but not accepted into AAP are considered because the kids have the test scores and interests in participating in AAP. Those kids can be removed if they are struggling or if enough kids who have been selected into AAP move into the program and they need a spot. Principal Placed kids are not allowed to take the AAP classes in MS because they were not accepted into AAP.

But luckily, MS has Honors level courses which are the same as AAP and are open for all kids to register for. To me, getting to stay at the neighborhood school and being principal placed, then doing all Honors in MS isn't really a bad set up. In fact, why isn't all AAP done this way, instead of all this aap center nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I have different take on WISC. We had it done last year and it was very high 99.9+%. (DC also had very high Cogat of over 140, but GBRS was FOs.) It didn't work on the appeal. However, this is the reason why I think you should get it if you can afford it. If the WISC score is really high then, even if the appeal doesn't work, (1) you can share that with your local school principal and AART as one of the reasons why your child should get into principal placement local LIV and (2) you can also share the WISC score next year with your AART and home room teacher in the beginning of the year to talk through your child's assessment and why you think advanced academics would be helpful for him/her.

What are they doing in class now that demonstrates it?

Sure, WISC can maybe help in principal placement. I am unfortunately at a center school. So that doesn’t work....

What exactly is "principle placement"? I'm in a local IV school and as a matter of fact, the AART called to encourage me (also expressed surprise/disappointment that DD did not get IN), From the package teachers gave her pretty strong support (3 CO, 1 FO). But AART never mentioned any possibility of "principle placement", only gave some recommendation on what to look for in new work samples. So does the “principle placement" possibly happen after exhausting my appeal or i can directly apply for it with local AART? We would stay at local AAP any ways because of being in immersion program.

Most schools with a Local Level IV do not have enough kids accepted into AAP by the Committee to fill an entire class. Schools with a Local Program will fill the class with kids that the Principal Places. Many times kids who were in-pool or parent referred but not accepted into AAP are considered because the kids have the test scores and interests in participating in AAP. Those kids can be removed if they are struggling or if enough kids who have been selected into AAP move into the program and they need a spot. Principal Placed kids are not allowed to take the AAP classes in MS because they were not accepted into AAP.

But luckily, MS has Honors level courses which are the same as AAP and are open for all kids to register for. To me, getting to stay at the neighborhood school and being principal placed, then doing all Honors in MS isn't really a bad set up. In fact, why isn't all AAP done this way, instead of all this aap center nonsense.

Come back to us when you have experience at a center school, before talking about getting rid of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have different take on WISC. We had it done last year and it was very high 99.9+%. (DC also had very high Cogat of over 140, but GBRS was FOs.) It didn't work on the appeal. However, this is the reason why I think you should get it if you can afford it. If the WISC score is really high then, even if the appeal doesn't work, (1) you can share that with your local school principal and AART as one of the reasons why your child should get into principal placement local LIV and (2) you can also share the WISC score next year with your AART and home room teacher in the beginning of the year to talk through your child's assessment and why you think advanced academics would be helpful for him/her.

What are they doing in class now that demonstrates it?

Sure, WISC can maybe help in principal placement. I am unfortunately at a center school. So that doesn’t work....

What exactly is "principle placement"? I'm in a local IV school and as a matter of fact, the AART called to encourage me (also expressed surprise/disappointment that DD did not get IN), From the package teachers gave her pretty strong support (3 CO, 1 FO). But AART never mentioned any possibility of "principle placement", only gave some recommendation on what to look for in new work samples. So does the “principle placement" possibly happen after exhausting my appeal or i can directly apply for it with local AART? We would stay at local AAP any ways because of being in immersion program.

Most schools with a Local Level IV do not have enough kids accepted into AAP by the Committee to fill an entire class. Schools with a Local Program will fill the class with kids that the Principal Places. Many times kids who were in-pool or parent referred but not accepted into AAP are considered because the kids have the test scores and interests in participating in AAP. Those kids can be removed if they are struggling or if enough kids who have been selected into AAP move into the program and they need a spot. Principal Placed kids are not allowed to take the AAP classes in MS because they were not accepted into AAP.

But luckily, MS has Honors level courses which are the same as AAP and are open for all kids to register for. To me, getting to stay at the neighborhood school and being principal placed, then doing all Honors in MS isn't really a bad set up. In fact, why isn't all AAP done this way, instead of all this aap center nonsense.

Come back to us when you have experience at a center school, before talking about getting rid of them.

I rather my kid not get as a rigorous education (and that’s questionable) than to deal with arrogant center parents and kids. You guys are insufferable bunch. And that local level kid is going to be in the same classes in MS as your center kid.

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Anonymous wrote:I have different take on WISC. We had it done last year and it was very high 99.9+%. (DC also had very high Cogat of over 140, but GBRS was FOs.) It didn't work on the appeal. However, this is the reason why I think you should get it if you can afford it. If the WISC score is really high then, even if the appeal doesn't work, (1) you can share that with your local school principal and AART as one of the reasons why your child should get into principal placement local LIV and (2) you can also share the WISC score next year with your AART and home room teacher in the beginning of the year to talk through your child's assessment and why you think advanced academics would be helpful for him/her.

What are they doing in class now that demonstrates it?

Sure, WISC can maybe help in principal placement. I am unfortunately at a center school. So that doesn’t work....

What exactly is "principle placement"? I'm in a local IV school and as a matter of fact, the AART called to encourage me (also expressed surprise/disappointment that DD did not get IN), From the package teachers gave her pretty strong support (3 CO, 1 FO). But AART never mentioned any possibility of "principle placement", only gave some recommendation on what to look for in new work samples. So does the “principle placement" possibly happen after exhausting my appeal or i can directly apply for it with local AART? We would stay at local AAP any ways because of being in immersion program.

Most schools with a Local Level IV do not have enough kids accepted into AAP by the Committee to fill an entire class. Schools with a Local Program will fill the class with kids that the Principal Places. Many times kids who were in-pool or parent referred but not accepted into AAP are considered because the kids have the test scores and interests in participating in AAP. Those kids can be removed if they are struggling or if enough kids who have been selected into AAP move into the program and they need a spot. Principal Placed kids are not allowed to take the AAP classes in MS because they were not accepted into AAP.

But luckily, MS has Honors level courses which are the same as AAP and are open for all kids to register for. To me, getting to stay at the neighborhood school and being principal placed, then doing all Honors in MS isn't really a bad set up. In fact, why isn't all AAP done this way, instead of all this aap center nonsense.

Come back to us when you have experience at a center school, before talking about getting rid of them.

I rather my kid not get as a rigorous education (and that’s questionable) than to deal with arrogant center parents and kids. You guys are insufferable bunch. And that local level kid is going to be in the same classes in MS as your center kid.

Neither I nor my kid is arrogant or insufferable.

Please don't attack anonymous children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm appealing.

Coat 122
Nnat 132
Low GRBS - but we do not kiss the AARTs a**

Do we really have to? I did not know that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm appealing.

Coat 122
Nnat 132
Low GRBS - but we do not kiss the AARTs a**

Do we really have to? I did not know that.

We didn't kiss anyone's ass and DS had solid GBRSs. His Teachers were very complimentary at the parent Teacher conferences. When we asked what he might need some help with at home they thought we were crazy. I doubt the AART or the Principal has any idea who we are.