Richmond Public Schools virtual for the rest of SY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

Oh I'm well aware what DCUM thinks the reasons are. I just think low-income folks are being really short-sighted with their preference for DL. Their kids get less out of DL than their wealthier counterparts, I think we can all agree.

They're not being short-sighted, They are trying to protect the health of their multigeneration homes. They also don't have as many daycare options so they need their older kids to stay home and care for the younger ones. A lot of these parents cannot miss out on work due to a covet infection because they live paycheck to paycheck. They are 100% making the right decisions for their families.

Oh your second point is a great one. SO many of my students are home with young siblings and cousins all day. Their families can’t afford for all day care so they are staying home and babysitting AND helping these little ones with distance learning and sometimes missing class to go to doctors appointments with family members to translate. Their parents can’t risk them getting sick and not being able to do these things because financially it is NOT possible for them to send little kids to daycare or forgo income for one parent to stay home. They don’t need some snotty FCPS mom telling them they’re “short sighted” and don’t get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

You are right. And my students are Hispanic. Their communities are hit about 4x harder than the wealthier whiter zip codes. You simply CANNOT judge them from a privileged white standpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

Do you believe low income people are teleworking and prefer to keep their kids at home?

There is an opinion piece in WaPo today quoting an area school official that said low income are least able to influence the politics around DL versus in person learning.

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of you are vastly overestimating how much clout poor people have in this argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

Do you believe low income people are teleworking and prefer to keep their kids at home?

There is an opinion piece in WaPo today quoting an area school official that said low income are least able to influence the politics around DL versus in person learning.

Their little kids are home like yours. These parents don’t have nice salaried remote jobs like yours that allow them to work from home. They have hourly jobs they must go to. So they need their older kids to stay home to watch the little kids. Like just say you don’t care rather than pretend this is brand new information or that people are lying about it. You don’t care and it doesn’t affect you so just move on but stop being insulting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

Do you believe low income people are teleworking and prefer to keep their kids at home?

There is an opinion piece in WaPo today quoting an area school official that said low income are least able to influence the politics around DL versus in person learning.

Their little kids are home like yours. These parents don’t have nice salaried remote jobs like yours that allow them to work from home. They have hourly jobs they must go to. So they need their older kids to stay home to watch the little kids. Like just say you don’t care rather than pretend this is brand new information or that people are lying about it. You don’t care and it doesn’t affect you so just move on but stop being insulting

I'm not sure where you're getting that i'm being insulting.

I'm saying that poor people are probably not choosing to have their kids stay home as someone else asserted above. Because they have to work outside of the home.

[Anonymous]

Its more likely that it is the teleworkers driving the DL requests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW. Biden just announced initiative to get majority of schhols open during 1st 100 days. Likely window dressing, but yesterday (12/7) DC's FCPS MS sent hybrid learning schedule beginning week of 1/25.

Europe is shuttering schools in light of rising cases and the US is now going to open? What a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

You are right. And my students are Hispanic. Their communities are hit about 4x harder than the wealthier whiter zip codes. You simply CANNOT judge them from a privileged white standpoint.

May I ask you a question, and ask for it not to be taken the wrong way? I see the impact of COVID on Hispanic communities and have read a number of educators saying exactly what you have said, that Hispanic families are extremely fearful of returning to school for the reasons you mention. Obviously, this isn't every family; we are speaking in generalities. Continuing to generalize, given this fear of the virus, why is it that the Hispanic community does not seem to be very mask compliant? I've seen gatherings of Hispanic families, granted outdoors, workers, soccer players and fans, etc. not maintaining social distancing and not wearing masks throughout the pandemic. What is the disconnect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

You are right. And my students are Hispanic. Their communities are hit about 4x harder than the wealthier whiter zip codes. You simply CANNOT judge them from a privileged white standpoint.

May I ask you a question, and ask for it not to be taken the wrong way? I see the impact of COVID on Hispanic communities and have read a number of educators saying exactly what you have said, that Hispanic families are extremely fearful of returning to school for the reasons you mention. Obviously, this isn't every family; we are speaking in generalities. Continuing to generalize, given this fear of the virus, why is it that the Hispanic community does not seem to be very mask compliant? I've seen gatherings of Hispanic families, granted outdoors, workers, soccer players and fans, etc. not maintaining social distancing and not wearing masks throughout the pandemic. What is the disconnect?

I've seen this too. Hispanic families might be dying but if they are, it's in part because they're not wearing masks. I live near a soccer complex in northern VA and every weekend there are hundreds of dozens of families hanging out together, eating, playing soccer, talking. Many weekends it's a couple of hundred people. Not a mask in sight. Meanwhile everyone else is all masked up.
It's very, very striking.

[Anonymous]

whoops.
Previous poster.
Dozens of families; hundreds of people.

(not hundreds of dozens).

But my point is, it's a lot of people and there are NO masks on anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

So the parents will bring home Covid instead of the kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

You are right. And my students are Hispanic. Their communities are hit about 4x harder than the wealthier whiter zip codes. You simply CANNOT judge them from a privileged white standpoint.

May I ask you a question, and ask for it not to be taken the wrong way? I see the impact of COVID on Hispanic communities and have read a number of educators saying exactly what you have said, that Hispanic families are extremely fearful of returning to school for the reasons you mention. Obviously, this isn't every family; we are speaking in generalities. Continuing to generalize, given this fear of the virus, why is it that the Hispanic community does not seem to be very mask compliant? I've seen gatherings of Hispanic families, granted outdoors, workers, soccer players and fans, etc. not maintaining social distancing and not wearing masks throughout the pandemic. What is the disconnect?

My guess is you are seeing large groups of people who have already had it (many of my students have) and think it’s safe or live together and think I’m outdoors with my family why wear a mask? (Which many white families do as well.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are poor and so are most of their students. And for whatever reason there seems to be a correlation between DL and low income.

Its apples to oranges with schools up here.

“For whatever reason” actually there’s many and they’re well known. This isn’t a mystery.

NP. So far I have read only a few direct quotes, and even those are purporting to sum up an entire group of people in a school district. I actually really, really want to hear it from the source - anyone who can point me to the actual data I'd appreciate it.

I don’t have any data to link you too. sometimes the source is actually working with these families and talking to them. My students families have multiple generations living at home, they work service jobs and cannot afford any paid quarantine or leave for being sick nor do they have good insurance. They’re in hardest hit zip codes. They cannot miss work or it’s a catastrophe. If a child gets sick and brings it home it could get elderly relative sick or working parents sick. They do not think school is safe because they see how bad the spread is in their area. And contrary to PP they are well aware of the ramifications of this choice. One mom told me yesterday “I know my son is struggling and I don’t know how to help him but I am scared to send my kids in the building with covid normalized.” They know the consequences because they feel them the most harshly.

If you look at the Virginia Department of health information it is the Latino and African American families that are being the worst hit by COVID. whether or not you want to admit it these are also the lower income families. They are trying to minimize the impact to their home life and have selected distance learning.

You are right. And my students are Hispanic. Their communities are hit about 4x harder than the wealthier whiter zip codes. You simply CANNOT judge them from a privileged white standpoint.

May I ask you a question, and ask for it not to be taken the wrong way? I see the impact of COVID on Hispanic communities and have read a number of educators saying exactly what you have said, that Hispanic families are extremely fearful of returning to school for the reasons you mention. Obviously, this isn't every family; we are speaking in generalities. Continuing to generalize, given this fear of the virus, why is it that the Hispanic community does not seem to be very mask compliant? I've seen gatherings of Hispanic families, granted outdoors, workers, soccer players and fans, etc. not maintaining social distancing and not wearing masks throughout the pandemic. What is the disconnect?

My guess is you are seeing large groups of people who have already had it (many of my students have) and think it’s safe or live together and think I’m outdoors with my family why wear a mask? (Which many white families do as well.)

No. I am talking about huge family gatherings in parks with no distancing. There is a clear preference for not wearing masks demonstrated over and over. Heck, even the parents on my son's fall soccer team that was comprised of many Trump supporting parents wore masks on the sidelines and when entering and leaving the fields. When we played primarily Hispanic teams, there was not a mask in sight.

Maybe more outreach is needed?