Eagle Scout rank as a hook for admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy Scouts is a disgusting organization. Gross. Can’t imagine being a part of that. Eagle Scouts kids are amazing and none of that mess is their fault, but why continue associating with an organization that abetted horrific behavior for decades. Yikes.

+1 I would never let my kids join this organization. I am surprised parents are okay with this in 2020. Yuck

LOL. Lots of boys still participate, and it's far from the impression that you have of it. Lots of educated progressive people have their sons involved in Scouts. Just because the national organization may take one position does not mean that local troops take those positions. And the women's groups were urging the Boy Scouts to allow in girls, and so the Boy Scouts did so a few years ago. (BTW, the leader of the Girl Scouts was very upset and made some ad hominem attacks on the Boy Scouts.) And the Mormon Church recently disassociated with the Boy Scouts for becoming too progressive in their view.

My 17-year-old son is currently working toward his Eagle rank. He completed a big community service project that he planned all on his own. I told him he'd be a great project manager in the workplace someday. He's learned tons of skills through scouting, and has done a lot of camping and hiking. He's gained a lot of leadership experience along the way.

If you only read a few random articles a year about the Boy Scouts, then you are not in a position to opine on the entire scouting experience. It's a great opportunity for boys to learn skills and gain leadership experience. Unlike so many activities, it does not require athleticism (although lots of athletes participate). Also, it's a very affordable activity for those who do not have means (although plenty of very wealthy troops in NW DC and Bethesda, etc).

So being associated with an organization that hid pedophilia is cool because they developed some skills. Gotcha.

[Anonymous]

"The Boy Scouts will be a transformed organization a year from now, because it will lose an overwhelming majority of its assets to pay deserved compensation to victims of things that went on in the 80s and before. It will probably lose 2/3 of its members in the process, made worse by COVID. Local sponsors are going to begin dropping soon, because of the unavoidable liability and PR difficulties that will become clear when over 25K claimants are announced in late November. As a long time volunteer, I have to accept that the majority of the public does not believe the organization needs to or should survive. Even terrorists condemn any one or thing which has had any arguable connection to child abuse. The seemingly extreme comments shared above are,unfortunately, reflective of a majority view. These people do not even want to hear about the secure practices in place or the great non-abuse record of the last two decades. My thought at this point is that those of us involved locally may need to re-evaluate whether this is worth doing any more in the face of such condemnation. I spend 20 hours a week on Scouting and do not want it to lead to personal liability when an enterprising parent sees me as a nice bank account for them. Any allegation of abuse, no matter how evidence-free or far fetched is instantly believed and the accused is ruined. We probably have 50 families involved in our group. Someone is going to realize they can make money off of this and blow it all up. For those of you who posted positive things about the BSA, thank you. However, if your words have meaning, you need to back them up through financial or other activity. This organization is being taken down quickly by the tort industry and is about to go under water."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is a hook if you want to go to a college where it is a hook. Many of us do not prefer those schools.

Which of the schools profiled in the article are not your "type" of school? Johns Hopkins? Wisconsin? Pomona? UCLA?

You don't like schools full of really intelligent students?

Strike a nerve?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy Scouts is a disgusting organization. Gross. Can’t imagine being a part of that. Eagle Scouts kids are amazing and none of that mess is their fault, but why continue associating with an organization that abetted horrific behavior for decades. Yikes.

+1 I would never let my kids join this organization. I am surprised parents are okay with this in 2020. Yuck

LOL. Lots of boys still participate, and it's far from the impression that you have of it. Lots of educated progressive people have their sons involved in Scouts. Just because the national organization may take one position does not mean that local troops take those positions. And the women's groups were urging the Boy Scouts to allow in girls, and so the Boy Scouts did so a few years ago. (BTW, the leader of the Girl Scouts was very upset and made some ad hominem attacks on the Boy Scouts.) And the Mormon Church recently disassociated with the Boy Scouts for becoming too progressive in their view.

My 17-year-old son is currently working toward his Eagle rank. He completed a big community service project that he planned all on his own. I told him he'd be a great project manager in the workplace someday. He's learned tons of skills through scouting, and has done a lot of camping and hiking. He's gained a lot of leadership experience along the way.

If you only read a few random articles a year about the Boy Scouts, then you are not in a position to opine on the entire scouting experience. It's a great opportunity for boys to learn skills and gain leadership experience. Unlike so many activities, it does not require athleticism (although lots of athletes participate). Also, it's a very affordable activity for those who do not have means (although plenty of very wealthy troops in NW DC and Bethesda, etc).

Ok, now I'm offended.

Just because the national organization may take one position does not mean that local troops take those positions?

My brother was molested by his scout master on an overnight campout... so were a lot of other boys in their troop.

The fact that you minimize what thousands of boys have gone through with your "lol's" because your kid is heavily engulfed in this organization, says a lot about your moral compass.

And yes, we grew up in the DC area...

[Anonymous]

^^ You’re arguing with a moron. There’s no point.

[Anonymous]

It's a hook, unless you encounter one of the PP's blame the sins of the father on the son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a hook, unless you encounter one of the PP's blame the sins of the father on the son.

+1

[Anonymous]

I am the Long-time BSA volunteer commenter who submitted thoughts earlier. The unavoidable fact is that the BSA will never be absolved for the molestations that took place in the 80s and before. The commenters above reflect Views of the general population. They want to see an end to all scouting activities for boys as retribution for those unspeakable acts, and the fact that Scouting might have a great system in place now is irrelevant. The goal is to maximize payments to victims and their attorneys and cease the teaching of a scouting skills and practices, as they no longer align with today’s developing society. The further fact that the BSA finally threw off the dominance of the Mormon Church and repealed its’s 20 year old Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy and is all welcoming today also is meaningless to these opponents. The BSA will forever be a disgusting center-right organization to these people. The only remedy is to end Scouting in their view. Society has determined that the sins of the past require an end to the movement and that the skills and attributes of Eagle Scouts are no longer desired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the Long-time BSA volunteer commenter who submitted thoughts earlier. The unavoidable fact is that the BSA will never be absolved for the molestations that took place in the 80s and before. The commenters above reflect Views of the general population. They want to see an end to all scouting activities for boys as retribution for those unspeakable acts, and the fact that Scouting might have a great system in place now is irrelevant. The goal is to maximize payments to victims and their attorneys and cease the teaching of a scouting skills and practices, as they no longer align with today’s developing society. The further fact that the BSA finally threw off the dominance of the Mormon Church and repealed its’s 20 year old Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy and is all welcoming today also is meaningless to these opponents. The BSA will forever be a disgusting center-right organization to these people. The only remedy is to end Scouting in their view. Society has determined that the sins of the past require an end to the movement and that the skills and attributes of Eagle Scouts are no longer desired.

Yikes, what a misguided post. Get a clue.

[Anonymous]

Dear Yikes, My comments do not reflect my personal viewpoints. They reflect the reality of public views of Scouting and the bankruptcy we are going through. In mid-November the tort industry will announce between 20K and 25K Abuse claims from the 30s through the 80s filed in that case. We can not overcome the Impact of that. The majority of the public now rejects the BSA and what we stand for. Just try reasoning with some of those earlier commenters. We are losing our assets and membership over this. It has noting to do with fairness or what values are good for young people. The rage of victims armed with the tort industry are clearly winning this fight.

[Anonymous]

Liability. A single incident of a child accusing a leader of molesting him at a bathroom in the middle of the night is all it takes. Even if false, the person is arrested, excluded from polite society, removed from Scouting and lef on his own to defend himself. That kind of loss is just the beginning. Being a Scout leader is horribly risky these days. And if the person has assets, the civil suit will follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear Yikes, My comments do not reflect my personal viewpoints. They reflect the reality of public views of Scouting and the bankruptcy we are going through. In mid-November the tort industry will announce between 20K and 25K Abuse claims from the 30s through the 80s filed in that case. We can not overcome the Impact of that. The majority of the public now rejects the BSA and what we stand for. Just try reasoning with some of those earlier commenters. We are losing our assets and membership over this. It has noting to do with fairness or what values are good for young people. The rage of victims armed with the tort industry are clearly winning this fight.

Probably shouldn’t aid and abet pedophiles, huh? You poor victims. There there.

[Anonymous]

The point is that I agree there were indeed incidents where the abuse was not handled effectively and in some incidents minimized. Payments should be made to provide whatever degree of justice that can be obtained at this overly-late point. My point is that even after this is achieved through the bankruptcy, the majority of people still want any prospective Scouting activities ended through disbanding the organization. They want this as retribution and as a means to curtail the further teaching of Scouting ideas and skills. The good record on abuse matters for the last 20 years is meaningless to these people. I believe this will largely occur through the bankruptcy.

[Anonymous]

Many are not impressed that your son is an Eagle Scout. Not all admission reps will think it was a valuable use of the student's time. Opinions vary.

[Anonymous]

As an Admissions Representative, I might accept your child. I might inspite of it. Certainly not because of it.