American Murder discussion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chris Watts wrote a letter saying he had smothered the kids once, but they woke up, so he had to kill them "a second time"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520985/Chris-Watts-chilling-letter-confessing-killed-family.html

I am not sure I believe anything he says. Don't you think Shannan would have gone in to look at her kids when she got home from her trip?

I'm assuming just about everything he says is a lie including the "last confession." In his last confession, he doesn't want it to seem like it was pre-mediated.

Based on the details, I think he killed the kids first then waited for her at 2am. Kids wouldn't survive a strangulation attempt. Its arguably too easy. Maybe he lured Shanann in with the offer of sex and killed her. Pretty sure the autopsy would have said if there was sexual contact or sperm. I think he then sat there and did nothing for a while. Maybe he even slept. Then he loaded them up and took them to the work site just before he was supposed to start working to not arouse suspicion.

Someone upthread said that they were alive when they went in the oils drums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chris Watts is a monster.

Glad he is where he definitely belongs.
In a cell, for 23 hours every. single. day.
Only can get out for a shower or to exercise.

I agree that he lost those sixty-five lbs. so he could have an affair.
His appearance changed so dramatically.
He went from schmuck >> hunk.

I believe that he killed Bella + Celeste because he didn’t want to get found out that he killed his wife.

Well it’s pretty obvious that was his motivation for killing his kids.

Was it officially verified that this is the order it happened in? I always wondered whether he killed one of the girls while she was out of town and the rest followed.

Autopsies proved the girls were still breathing or at least living when they were put in the oil drums.

Also I don't think the initial reason he killed the girls was to cover up his wife's murder. Remember he strangled both kids first, then he went after the wife in bed. The kids woke up from his suffocation attempt and he bundled them into the truck with the mother's dead body.

They were alive for the car ride.

I don’t think that info was included in the documentary. He said that he killed his wife first and then the kids at the worksite. Maybe I just wasn’t paying close enough attention?

It was in the discovery notes from the police interviews of Chris. Came out in the original thread linked on the first page.

[Anonymous]

He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

Honestly I don't think his plan was THAT bad. It all fell apart because Shannan told every single thing to her BFF - including details on their sex lives - and had asked her to take her to a 8AM doctor's appointment, so the friend called the police immediately when she didn't pick up.

I mean there are friends and there are friends. But even I am stump that they went to a 2-day conference together, stayed in the same hotel room together, took a flight back together, drove home together at 2AM, and were still raring to see each other again at 8AM the same morning.

Who does that? That's an unreal bond or dependency - I can't tell which.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

Honestly I don't think his plan was THAT bad. It all fell apart because Shannan told every single thing to her BFF - including details on their sex lives - and had asked her to take her to a 8AM doctor's appointment, so the friend called the police immediately when she didn't pick up.

I mean there are friends and there are friends. But even I am stump that they went to a 2-day conference together, stayed in the same hotel room together, took a flight back together, drove home together at 2AM, and were still raring to see each other again at 8AM the same morning.

Who does that? That's an unreal bond or dependency - I can't tell which.

The friend called to check on her in the morning because she had been upset on the trip. There weren’t plans to go together to the dr appt. the friend didn’t go to her house until several hours later when she couldn’t get ahold of her.

Agree with the tmi sharing with friends, but I think that’s how some people who aren’t super close with their spouses, or are stressed about their marriages, operate.

Regarding the stupidity, it was the immediate agreeing to the polygraph that struck me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

Honestly I don't think his plan was THAT bad. It all fell apart because Shannan told every single thing to her BFF - including details on their sex lives - and had asked her to take her to a 8AM doctor's appointment, so the friend called the police immediately when she didn't pick up.

I mean there are friends and there are friends. But even I am stump that they went to a 2-day conference together, stayed in the same hotel room together, took a flight back together, drove home together at 2AM, and were still raring to see each other again at 8AM the same morning.

Who does that? That's an unreal bond or dependency - I can't tell which.

The friend called to check on her in the morning because she had been upset on the trip. There weren’t plans to go together to the dr appt. the friend didn’t go to her house until several hours later when she couldn’t get ahold of her.

Agree with the tmi sharing with friends, but I think that’s how some people who aren’t super close with their spouses, or are stressed about their marriages, operate.

Regarding the stupidity, it was the immediate agreeing to the polygraph that struck me.

There were plans to get together that morning. The friend was upset because she was supposed to take Shanann to an pregnancy check-up. She says so on tape.

Speed to 2:05

[Anonymous]

She even knew who Shanann's OB was and WENT to the doctor and asked if Shanann had showed up without her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chris Watts wrote a letter saying he had smothered the kids once, but they woke up, so he had to kill them "a second time"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520985/Chris-Watts-chilling-letter-confessing-killed-family.html

I am not sure I believe anything he says. Don't you think Shannan would have gone in to look at her kids when she got home from her trip?

I'm assuming just about everything he says is a lie including the "last confession." In his last confession, he doesn't want it to seem like it was pre-mediated.

Based on the details, I think he killed the kids first then waited for her at 2am. Kids wouldn't survive a strangulation attempt. Its arguably too easy. Maybe he lured Shanann in with the offer of sex and killed her. Pretty sure the autopsy would have said if there was sexual contact or sperm. I think he then sat there and did nothing for a while. Maybe he even slept. Then he loaded them up and took them to the work site just before he was supposed to start working to not arouse suspicion.

Someone upthread said that they were alive when they went in the oils drums.

Might be an internet theory, but not according to the medical examiner:

"Rourke said that his office asked a number of experts, along with the medical examiner’s office and coroner’s office, to examine what this meant. All concluded it was a result of the girls being submerged in oil tank batteries for days before their bodies were recovered, which the autopsy reports reiterate. Bella’s stomach contained 75 milliliters of “green-black fluid,” the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside.

Burson said the cause of death for Bella was asphyxiation due to smothering. The coroner found blunt force trauma on Bella’s jaw and lacerations and contusions in her mouth, according to Denver 7. Teeth impressions and superficial bite marks were found on the surface of Bella’s tongue. Rourke said these were all signs that Bella "fought for her life."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.koco.com/amp/article/prosecutors-autopsy-shows-4-year-old-fought-for-her-life-as-father-strangled-her/25236514

Also she was buried with underwear on, doubt she had sex:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6468517/amp/Photos-stained-shirt-underwear-bra-Shanann-Watts-wearing-husband-murdered-her.html

[Anonymous]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6468517/amp/Photos-stained-shirt-underwear-bra-Shanann-Watts-wearing-husband-murdered-her.html

Yikes she really hated her in laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

Honestly I don't think his plan was THAT bad. It all fell apart because Shannan told every single thing to her BFF - including details on their sex lives - and had asked her to take her to a 8AM doctor's appointment, so the friend called the police immediately when she didn't pick up.

I mean there are friends and there are friends. But even I am stump that they went to a 2-day conference together, stayed in the same hotel room together, took a flight back together, drove home together at 2AM, and were still raring to see each other again at 8AM the same morning.

Who does that? That's an unreal bond or dependency - I can't tell which.

No it fell apart because dumb @ss failed a polygraph he voluntarily took. Then they found the mistress of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times is this story going to be covered?

It’s popular enough to get it’s own Netflix movie so maybe just don’t click on the thread.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom, but I haven't seen the Netflix movie and couldn't tell from the thread title that it was about Watts. So maybe just STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6468517/amp/Photos-stained-shirt-underwear-bra-Shanann-Watts-wearing-husband-murdered-her.html

Yikes she really hated her in laws.

I mean they raised a murder so.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chris Watts wrote a letter saying he had smothered the kids once, but they woke up, so he had to kill them "a second time"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520985/Chris-Watts-chilling-letter-confessing-killed-family.html

I am not sure I believe anything he says. Don't you think Shannan would have gone in to look at her kids when she got home from her trip?

I'm assuming just about everything he says is a lie including the "last confession." In his last confession, he doesn't want it to seem like it was pre-mediated.

Based on the details, I think he killed the kids first then waited for her at 2am. Kids wouldn't survive a strangulation attempt. Its arguably too easy. Maybe he lured Shanann in with the offer of sex and killed her. Pretty sure the autopsy would have said if there was sexual contact or sperm. I think he then sat there and did nothing for a while. Maybe he even slept. Then he loaded them up and took them to the work site just before he was supposed to start working to not arouse suspicion.

Someone upthread said that they were alive when they went in the oils drums.

I'm embarrassed to say that I read way too much about this case in year-long aftermath and I never read that the girls were alive when they were put into the drums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chris Watts is a monster.

Glad he is where he definitely belongs.
In a cell, for 23 hours every. single. day.
Only can get out for a shower or to exercise.

I agree that he lost those sixty-five lbs. so he could have an affair.
His appearance changed so dramatically.
He went from schmuck >> hunk.

I believe that he killed Bella + Celeste because he didn’t want to get found out that he killed his wife.

Well it’s pretty obvious that was his motivation for killing his kids.

Was it officially verified that this is the order it happened in? I always wondered whether he killed one of the girls while she was out of town and the rest followed.

Autopsies proved the girls were still breathing or at least living when they were put in the oil drums.

Also I don't think the initial reason he killed the girls was to cover up his wife's murder. Remember he strangled both kids first, then he went after the wife in bed. The kids woke up from his suffocation attempt and he bundled them into the truck with the mother's dead body.

They were alive for the car ride.

Where did you get this info about the kids (still alive when placed in oil drums and the first unsuccessful strangulations).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was just so easy to catch. Astonishingly stupid.

Honestly I don't think his plan was THAT bad. It all fell apart because Shannan told every single thing to her BFF - including details on their sex lives - and had asked her to take her to a 8AM doctor's appointment, so the friend called the police immediately when she didn't pick up.

I mean there are friends and there are friends. But even I am stump that they went to a 2-day conference together, stayed in the same hotel room together, took a flight back together, drove home together at 2AM, and were still raring to see each other again at 8AM the same morning.

Who does that? That's an unreal bond or dependency - I can't tell which.

The friend called to check on her in the morning because she had been upset on the trip. There weren’t plans to go together to the dr appt. the friend didn’t go to her house until several hours later when she couldn’t get ahold of her.

Agree with the tmi sharing with friends, but I think that’s how some people who aren’t super close with their spouses, or are stressed about their marriages, operate.

Regarding the stupidity, it was the immediate agreeing to the polygraph that struck me.

There were plans to get together that morning. The friend was upset because she was supposed to take Shanann to an pregnancy check-up. She says so on tape.

Speed to 2:05

The friend says that Shanann was planning to drop the girls at daycare and then go to a doctor’s appointment. The friend offered that morning (probably via text) to take her if Shanann wanted, but never heard back. She drove to Shanann’s house close to noon not because they had plans, but because she was worried that Shanann was MIA and didn’t go to the appointment.