Children spread covid more effectively than adults

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lock them up!

LOL!

I don’t see the humor if my kids are forced back to school with no DL options. Or if my mom is forced back to teaching or lose her job and pension.

Sorry that my LOL was a bit misinterpreted. I'm absolutely terrified of having my kids forced back to school. Hopefully the full-DL option will persist through the school year no matter what.

This is where I see the problem we have here at the moment. You feel that keeping your child(ren) home and having a DL option all year is in your best interest. And I respect and support that decision. You have your own set of unique circumstances and need to make your own, educated, risk-based decisions. And DL is available to you. Even pre-COVID, there are DL/homeschooling options for you/your family should you choose to stay that way if/when schools eventually open. Others, on the other hand, are in different circumstances, and would like to send their children to school for optimal learning, given their own unique set of circumstances. This decision was taken away from them. Neither decision is "right" or "wrong", and instead of respecting each other's different opinions/circumstances/decisions, the immediate reaction (from both sides of the coin) is that "I'm right, you're wrong", and we get confrontational. We've totally lost perspective on the old phrase: "We agree to disagree".

[Anonymous]

No. This really isn't an "every choice is valid", "all choices are good" situation like breast vs formula co sleeping vs Ferber,

There is a right, and that is no kids in school until the the virus is under control in this country. No on essential worrkers until the virus is under control in this country. It's not popular, it's true.

I don't fault the parents, for being tricked into thinking all choices are equal and valid.

Our government has failed us in a terrible way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lock them up!

LOL!

I don’t see the humor if my kids are forced back to school with no DL options. Or if my mom is forced back to teaching or lose her job and pension.

Sorry that my LOL was a bit misinterpreted. I'm absolutely terrified of having my kids forced back to school. Hopefully the full-DL option will persist through the school year no matter what.

This is where I see the problem we have here at the moment. You feel that keeping your child(ren) home and having a DL option all year is in your best interest. And I respect and support that decision. You have your own set of unique circumstances and need to make your own, educated, risk-based decisions. And DL is available to you. Even pre-COVID, there are DL/homeschooling options for you/your family should you choose to stay that way if/when schools eventually open. Others, on the other hand, are in different circumstances, and would like to send their children to school for optimal learning, given their own unique set of circumstances. This decision was taken away from them. Neither decision is "right" or "wrong", and instead of respecting each other's different opinions/circumstances/decisions, the immediate reaction (from both sides of the coin) is that "I'm right, you're wrong", and we get confrontational. We've totally lost perspective on the old phrase: "We agree to disagree".

Yeah, no, "agree to disagree," "MYOB" and "you do you" aren't things during an ongoing pandemic. Your "choice" to send your kids in person puts me, my family and my community at higher risk with additional spread. There are indeed right and wrong here.

Tell you what -- go ahead and send your kids back, but only if you risk the lives of YOUR family and no one else's. So telework, grocery delivery, no shopping, no restaurants. Isolate and have at it. But no, you won't do that, but yet, you want others to approve of your irresponsible, dangerous choices. No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. This really isn't an "every choice is valid", "all choices are good" situation like breast vs formula co sleeping vs Ferber,

There is a right, and that is no kids in school until the the virus is under control in this country. No on essential worrkers until the virus is under control in this country. It's not popular, it's true.

I don't fault the parents, for being tricked into thinking all choices are equal and valid.

Our government has failed us in a terrible way.

THANK YOU. I was beginning to despair that there were any intelligent voices of reason here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. This really isn't an "every choice is valid", "all choices are good" situation like breast vs formula co sleeping vs Ferber,

There is a right, and that is no kids in school until the the virus is under control in this country. No on essential worrkers until the virus is under control in this country. It's not popular, it's true.

I don't fault the parents, for being tricked into thinking all choices are equal and valid.

Our government has failed us in a terrible way.

THANK YOU. I was beginning to despair that there were any intelligent voices of reason here.

+2. Yes! Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Children spread most diseases efficiently. Any one who has ever been near children knows this.

+1 granted, this is a new thing, and we are still learning about it as time goes by, but when I heard the suggestion that children aren't vectors, I said to DH, who agreed with me, that this can't be true. Even if the kids are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, they can still spread it. They are germ breeders.

[Anonymous]

An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children spread most diseases efficiently. Any one who has ever been near children knows this.

+1 granted, this is a new thing, and we are still learning about it as time goes by, but when I heard the suggestion that children aren't vectors, I said to DH, who agreed with me, that this can't be true. Even if the kids are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, they can still spread it. They are germ breeders.

Kids are spreading it. Just read CNN. In FL multiple kids have died. A newborn died with COVID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Child care for essential workers and then those who cannot work and home and/or don't have one parent at home should be able to have child care, but agree with you on the rest. Camps, no. Activities, no. The quicker we handle things responsibly. the quicker we will get rid of it and be able to get back to the things we enjoy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

“No child should be in daycare” person and yet I bet you would not hesitate to complain if all essential services were all shut down for a month. Obviously those essential service workers would not have young children.

Fact is, a portion of the population must be out and about to help serve your community. Unfortunately they are not all fortunate like you Richie Riches who can afford a nanny or stay home with your young child. We as a society make risk assessments everyday. Spare me your black or white options only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Child care for essential workers and then those who cannot work and home and/or don't have one parent at home should be able to have child care, but agree with you on the rest. Camps, no. Activities, no. The quicker we handle things responsibly. the quicker we will get rid of it and be able to get back to the things we enjoy.

I know plenty of people who are sitting for essential workers and bringing their own kids along, offering socialization and a closed loop. I also know plenty of essential workers who teamed up to create a schedule for childcare between the four parents. And I know several who moved in with family members or had family members move in with them, and the adult family members are providing care for all the kids while the essential workers go to work.

There are single parents moving in together to make it work. EVERYONE should make it work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Look a little more closely at the Texas numbers https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

894 staff and 441 children from 883 facilities. That’s not indicating that the kids are the main vectors. Think about how a class is set up with multiple children per adult. If the kids were spreading you would see the number of infected kids being 2-5x the number of adults and the number of impacted center being much lower than the number of cases. This looks more like the result of people contracting the virus in the community and they just happen to work/attend daycare. The studies tell us that kids have a lot of virus and are potentially contagious, but that doesn’t mean they are actually spreading effectively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Child care for essential workers and then those who cannot work and home and/or don't have one parent at home should be able to have child care, but agree with you on the rest. Camps, no. Activities, no. The quicker we handle things responsibly. the quicker we will get rid of it and be able to get back to the things we enjoy.

I think we need a stricter definition of what is defined as essential work. Employers, and the government should back employers to have workers stay home. For the next 8 weeks, like we should have done in the beginning. Then we can open up in phases like NY is doing. I personally think some places and activities ( camps, sports teams, theme parks and beaches) should be off limits until a vaccine is available. No it's not fun, but it's not forever. and th longer we're stubborn about what really needs to be done the worse it's going to be, and the harder it will be to correct course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Child care for essential workers and then those who cannot work and home and/or don't have one parent at home should be able to have child care, but agree with you on the rest. Camps, no. Activities, no. The quicker we handle things responsibly. the quicker we will get rid of it and be able to get back to the things we enjoy.

I think we need a stricter definition of what is defined as essential work. Employers, and the government should back employers to have workers stay home. For the next 8 weeks, like we should have done in the beginning. Then we can open up in phases like NY is doing. I personally think some places and activities ( camps, sports teams, theme parks and beaches) should be off limits until a vaccine is available. No it's not fun, but it's not forever. and th longer we're stubborn about what really needs to be done the worse it's going to be, and the harder it will be to correct course.

Agree. Most companies our circle of acquaintances work for are already working from home through January. The idea that it is somehow OK to expose our kids and their teachers to a higher risk is ... not well reasoned. The longer others keep spreading, the longer we'll be in this situaiton. Also, if other succeed in making school open too soon, then our kids lose too, because beloved teachers will get sick and then we will have the worst of both worlds; quarantined distanced learning with substitutes and a lot of angry "I told you so's".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories. We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits. We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces. We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space. We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school. NO child should be at activities. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.

Look a little more closely at the Texas numbers https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

894 staff and 441 children from 883 facilities. That’s not indicating that the kids are the main vectors. Think about how a class is set up with multiple children per adult. If the kids were spreading you would see the number of infected kids being 2-5x the number of adults and the number of impacted center being much lower than the number of cases. This looks more like the result of people contracting the virus in the community and they just happen to work/attend daycare. The studies tell us that kids have a lot of virus and are potentially contagious, but that doesn’t mean they are actually spreading effectively.

Well, someday, when we know for sure, then we can make an educated decision about what is and isn't safe.