NCSL Lookin like a season how bout U?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the clubs and pushing this narrative of “we are almost ready” which is utter bollocks. They are trying to hold your money or not give refunds or just keep your interest.

EVERY GUIDELINE IN EVERY STATE calls for social distancing through Phases 1-2-3-4. Soccer cannot be played at a social distance. Tennis? Yes. Cross country? Sure. Soccer? No.

We are not going to see organised youth soccer with games until 2021.

Will you please stop lying. This undermines your credibility. Phase IV permits going to rock concerts and baseball games. But not a youth soccer game? Have you lost your mind? You think school will be our until a vaccine? In the four or five years it may take (assuming one can be commercialized)?

PHase IV is basically the same as back to normal. Which definitely won’t happen until 2021. Major employers are saying they won’t have Teleworking employees return to work until September at the earliest, and that’s Phase III. The real question is whether recreational stuff, like youth soccer, is permitted in phase III. And that depends on possible liability IMHO. Pro sports are more prone to take the liability. I don’t know whether the same is true for non-essential youth sports.

These are best case scenarios. We will not progress Phase I, then II, then III. We will open up and get rocked again and possibly regress back to lock down, then improve and move forward and open up a little, and before you know it, it will be flu season Fall/Winter and everything will be a CF and I'm betting we will be in a very similar position a year from now that we are right now except that their will be a lot more people (hopefully) with immunity (hopefully it doesn't just mutate) and hopefully, we will be not far away from a vaccine. I really doubt that we will play any games until next year. Maybe Fall of 2021 will be "normal". But by that time, kids will be so out of shape and skills reduced, it won't look like anything we remember. Man, I hope I'm so wrong!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are out of shape. They have been training but nothing like before. The heat, the injuries... no thanks

Welcome to D3.

Such an ignorant statement on so many levels. You know nothing about collegiate athletics to say such a thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the clubs and pushing this narrative of “we are almost ready” which is utter bollocks. They are trying to hold your money or not give refunds or just keep your interest.

EVERY GUIDELINE IN EVERY STATE calls for social distancing through Phases 1-2-3-4. Soccer cannot be played at a social distance. Tennis? Yes. Cross country? Sure. Soccer? No.

We are not going to see organised youth soccer with games until 2021.

Will you please stop lying. This undermines your credibility. Phase IV permits going to rock concerts and baseball games. But not a youth soccer game? Have you lost your mind? You think school will be our until a vaccine? In the four or five years it may take (assuming one can be commercialized)?

PHase IV is basically the same as back to normal. Which definitely won’t happen until 2021. Major employers are saying they won’t have Teleworking employees return to work until September at the earliest, and that’s Phase III. The real question is whether recreational stuff, like youth soccer, is permitted in phase III. And that depends on possible liability IMHO. Pro sports are more prone to take the liability. I don’t know whether the same is true for non-essential youth sports.

Waivers. We sign them all the time. Stop it.

Waivers are window dressing. A determined lawyer can find a way around them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And that depends on possible liability IMHO. Pro sports are more prone to take the liability. I don’t know whether the same is true for non-essential youth sports.

Waivers. We sign them all the time. Stop it.

Waivers are window dressing. A determined lawyer can find a way around them.

Many injuries occur in competitive sports - concussions, broken bones, torn knee ligaments. There are even more injuries in football than soccer. Youth and schools continue to play football. These are the primary safety risks in youth sports and will continue to be - not COVID-19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the clubs and pushing this narrative of “we are almost ready” which is utter bollocks. They are trying to hold your money or not give refunds or just keep your interest.

EVERY GUIDELINE IN EVERY STATE calls for social distancing through Phases 1-2-3-4. Soccer cannot be played at a social distance. Tennis? Yes. Cross country? Sure. Soccer? No.

We are not going to see organised youth soccer with games until 2021.

Will you please stop lying. This undermines your credibility. Phase IV permits going to rock concerts and baseball games. But not a youth soccer game? Have you lost your mind? You think school will be our until a vaccine? In the four or five years it may take (assuming one can be commercialized)?

PHase IV is basically the same as back to normal. Which definitely won’t happen until 2021. Major employers are saying they won’t have Teleworking employees return to work until September at the earliest, and that’s Phase III. The real question is whether recreational stuff, like youth soccer, is permitted in phase III. And that depends on possible liability IMHO. Pro sports are more prone to take the liability. I don’t know whether the same is true for non-essential youth sports.

Waivers. We sign them all the time. Stop it.

Waivers are window dressing. A determined lawyer can find a way around them.

Wow. Never thought of determined lawyers. Never happened to mie. Give me a break. Try determining your way around assumption of risk and causation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NCSL Return to Practice and Play is going to be tied to DC Area COVID-19 response. Those of us who want a return to practice and open fields need to start getting in the ears of local officials in a constructive way. Fairfax County parks and fields are still currently blocked off and closed though the evidence points to outdoors in the sunlight as one of the safer (and healthier) places to be.

It really pissed me off to hear that DC has relaxed open container laws so DC Bars can serve To Go cocktails. DC area politicians are lobbying for extended lockdown authority and meanwhile they are relaxing laws for DC Bars? Meanwhile we cannot take walks in parks or practice on soccer fields. Things are out of whack and I don't think the politicians are seeing things clearly. We are calling this a lockdown while it is really becoming more of an arbitrary restriction of certain activities.

Almost every state has relaxed their liquor laws over a month ago.

Ncsl won’t be starting anytime soon. Dc will be shuttered for at least another 4-8 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Right. Who can argue with that logic, along with the haha garnish. I am overwhelmed. You aren’t give the night school scabs in the bar anything to worry about, but I am sure you’d give them a run for somebody’s money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NCSL Return to Practice and Play is going to be tied to DC Area COVID-19 response. Those of us who want a return to practice and open fields need to start getting in the ears of local officials in a constructive way. Fairfax County parks and fields are still currently blocked off and closed though the evidence points to outdoors in the sunlight as one of the safer (and healthier) places to be.

It really pissed me off to hear that DC has relaxed open container laws so DC Bars can serve To Go cocktails. DC area politicians are lobbying for extended lockdown authority and meanwhile they are relaxing laws for DC Bars? Meanwhile we cannot take walks in parks or practice on soccer fields. Things are out of whack and I don't think the politicians are seeing things clearly. We are calling this a lockdown while it is really becoming more of an arbitrary restriction of certain activities.

Almost every state has relaxed their liquor laws over a month ago.

Ncsl won’t be starting anytime soon. Dc will be shuttered for at least another 4-8 weeks.

Do you think that makes sense? Legalize open container in DC while you prevent kids from practicing soccer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Do you have any experience or involvement with competitive sports? Injuries are common, parents do not sue. I saw two concussions in the past year that could conceivably have led to filing of complaints or litigation. Neither did. No sports organization is going to be held liable for a kid catching a virus. If a youth sports parent is seriously concerned about COVID-19 risk from playing soccer, they have never thought clearly about soccer injury risk and should probably already have held their kid out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NCSL Return to Practice and Play is going to be tied to DC Area COVID-19 response. Those of us who want a return to practice and open fields need to start getting in the ears of local officials in a constructive way. Fairfax County parks and fields are still currently blocked off and closed though the evidence points to outdoors in the sunlight as one of the safer (and healthier) places to be.

It really pissed me off to hear that DC has relaxed open container laws so DC Bars can serve To Go cocktails. DC area politicians are lobbying for extended lockdown authority and meanwhile they are relaxing laws for DC Bars? Meanwhile we cannot take walks in parks or practice on soccer fields. Things are out of whack and I don't think the politicians are seeing things clearly. We are calling this a lockdown while it is really becoming more of an arbitrary restriction of certain activities.

Almost every state has relaxed their liquor laws over a month ago.

Ncsl won’t be starting anytime soon. Dc will be shuttered for at least another 4-8 weeks.

Do you think that makes sense? Legalize open container in DC while you prevent kids from practicing soccer?

One has nothing to do with the other. Its irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Do you have any experience or involvement with competitive sports? Injuries are common, parents do not sue. I saw two concussions in the past year that could conceivably have led to filing of complaints or litigation. Neither did. No sports organization is going to be held liable for a kid catching a virus. If a youth sports parent is seriously concerned about COVID-19 risk from playing soccer, they have never thought clearly about soccer injury risk and should probably already have held their kid out.

Its a great try there. It really is.

In order to even suggest "just have them sign waivers" is to imply they would be moving ahead before suggest/allowed within the phases. There is simply no comparison to a possible concussion between two players and the possibility of allowing a virus to be spread through two entire teams and its staff.
Its a complete matter of risk management and level of negligence. Negligence cases come from situations that could have been prevented. The spread of a virus among teams playing can be prevented- by not allowing the game in the first place.

The biggest factor here is that its all about Optics. The "industry" as a whole has to be all in or theres nothing at all. Its all uncharted territory. The clubs are clamoring right now to get revenue for the fall, or many will go under. There is no way theyll take on the liability if the regulations arent saying "go ahead with it".

Some good info/suggestions here: https://www.teamusa.org/coronavirus

Small town clubs will play before the big travel teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Do you have any experience or involvement with competitive sports? Injuries are common, parents do not sue. I saw two concussions in the past year that could conceivably have led to filing of complaints or litigation. Neither did. No sports organization is going to be held liable for a kid catching a virus. If a youth sports parent is seriously concerned about COVID-19 risk from playing soccer, they have never thought clearly about soccer injury risk and should probably already have held their kid out.

Its a great try there. It really is.

In order to even suggest "just have them sign waivers" is to imply they would be moving ahead before suggest/allowed within the phases. There is simply no comparison to a possible concussion between two players and the possibility of allowing a virus to be spread through two entire teams and its staff.
Its a complete matter of risk management and level of negligence. Negligence cases come from situations that could have been prevented. The spread of a virus among teams playing can be prevented- by not allowing the game in the first place.

The biggest factor here is that its all about Optics. The "industry" as a whole has to be all in or theres nothing at all. Its all uncharted territory. The clubs are clamoring right now to get revenue for the fall, or many will go under. There is no way theyll take on the liability if the regulations arent saying "go ahead with it".

Some good info/suggestions here: https://www.teamusa.org/coronavirus

Small town clubs will play before the big travel teams.

Honestly, I don't follow. Somebody raised a legal issue. Somebody else answered it. The concussion or any gametime injury can also be avoided by not playing. That does not determine whether the waiver applies. And the causation involved with concussion is one helluva lot easier to establish than with where a kid caught a virus when that kid is also in school (if they're not in school, they won't be playing). We are well aware of other issues beyond liability and waivers. But if you are down to liability, waivers solve the problem, and I don't care if you have F. Lee Bailey trying to get through it. Again, even with strict liability, assumption of risk bars recovery absent waiver. So perhaps dust off your old torts and insurance books to have another look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Do you have any experience or involvement with competitive sports? Injuries are common, parents do not sue. I saw two concussions in the past year that could conceivably have led to filing of complaints or litigation. Neither did. No sports organization is going to be held liable for a kid catching a virus. If a youth sports parent is seriously concerned about COVID-19 risk from playing soccer, they have never thought clearly about soccer injury risk and should probably already have held their kid out.

Its a great try there. It really is.

In order to even suggest "just have them sign waivers" is to imply they would be moving ahead before suggest/allowed within the phases. There is simply no comparison to a possible concussion between two players and the possibility of allowing a virus to be spread through two entire teams and its staff.
Its a complete matter of risk management and level of negligence. Negligence cases come from situations that could have been prevented. The spread of a virus among teams playing can be prevented- by not allowing the game in the first place.

The biggest factor here is that its all about Optics. The "industry" as a whole has to be all in or theres nothing at all. Its all uncharted territory. The clubs are clamoring right now to get revenue for the fall, or many will go under. There is no way theyll take on the liability if the regulations arent saying "go ahead with it".

Some good info/suggestions here: https://www.teamusa.org/coronavirus

Small town clubs will play before the big travel teams.

Honestly, I don't follow. Somebody raised a legal issue. Somebody else answered it. The concussion or any gametime injury can also be avoided by not playing. That does not determine whether the waiver applies. And the causation involved with concussion is one helluva lot easier to establish than with where a kid caught a virus when that kid is also in school (if they're not in school, they won't be playing). We are well aware of other issues beyond liability and waivers. But if you are down to liability, waivers solve the problem, and I don't care if you have F. Lee Bailey trying to get through it. Again, even with strict liability, assumption of risk bars recovery absent waiver. So perhaps dust off your old torts and insurance books to have another look.

I’m not sure concussions are the correct analogy. A concussion affects a single individual who can assume individual risk (within reason - waivers aren’t bulletproof and negligence is always a question). With virus outbreaks you may not care about getting the virus, but the fact that your activities can give rise to a public health crisis is what is of concern. The health of the public will always trump an individuals choice when there are insufficient methods to control the public threat. It’s a bit apples to oranges. Waivers are not going to be the solution towards getting back on the pitch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simply saying “just have them sign waivers” really show the ignorance haha

Do you have any experience or involvement with competitive sports? Injuries are common, parents do not sue. I saw two concussions in the past year that could conceivably have led to filing of complaints or litigation. Neither did. No sports organization is going to be held liable for a kid catching a virus. If a youth sports parent is seriously concerned about COVID-19 risk from playing soccer, they have never thought clearly about soccer injury risk and should probably already have held their kid out.

Its a great try there. It really is.

In order to even suggest "just have them sign waivers" is to imply they would be moving ahead before suggest/allowed within the phases. There is simply no comparison to a possible concussion between two players and the possibility of allowing a virus to be spread through two entire teams and its staff.
Its a complete matter of risk management and level of negligence. Negligence cases come from situations that could have been prevented. The spread of a virus among teams playing can be prevented- by not allowing the game in the first place.

The biggest factor here is that its all about Optics. The "industry" as a whole has to be all in or theres nothing at all. Its all uncharted territory. The clubs are clamoring right now to get revenue for the fall, or many will go under. There is no way theyll take on the liability if the regulations arent saying "go ahead with it".

Some good info/suggestions here: https://www.teamusa.org/coronavirus

Small town clubs will play before the big travel teams.

Honestly, I don't follow. Somebody raised a legal issue. Somebody else answered it. The concussion or any gametime injury can also be avoided by not playing. That does not determine whether the waiver applies. And the causation involved with concussion is one helluva lot easier to establish than with where a kid caught a virus when that kid is also in school (if they're not in school, they won't be playing). We are well aware of other issues beyond liability and waivers. But if you are down to liability, waivers solve the problem, and I don't care if you have F. Lee Bailey trying to get through it. Again, even with strict liability, assumption of risk bars recovery absent waiver. So perhaps dust off your old torts and insurance books to have another look.

I’m not sure concussions are the correct analogy. A concussion affects a single individual who can assume individual risk (within reason - waivers aren’t bulletproof and negligence is always a question). With virus outbreaks you may not care about getting the virus, but the fact that your activities can give rise to a public health crisis is what is of concern. The health of the public will always trump an individuals choice when there are insufficient methods to control the public threat. It’s a bit apples to oranges. Waivers are not going to be the solution towards getting back on the pitch.

Someone gets it.

"DUUUUR, Just have them sign a waiver" is so simple mind and not thinking of the BIG PICTURE.