When will soccer (and sports in general) start up again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Singapore via the LA Times:

“Without a vaccine or antiviral drug, we should expect to deal with this virus [for] the long haul.”

https://apple.news/Azt7ahth2SaiM48oQgrgOnA

Of course. I don't think that settles the question. The virus does not disappear while we are locked down. Flattening the curve does not eliminate the problem more generally. And the federal and state governments cannot simply pay Americans (or even 20% of the workforce) to stay home for a year. The markets (and Chinese) cannot finance it, and even if they could, we'd be in debt for the next 20 years. There will be staged exposure and returns to work when testing improves and then we will see how quickly we get to herd immunity. It will take some time but anybody who thinks we are locked in for a year has absolutely no idea how the world works. It is absolutely economically impossible. Whether it is appropriate to spend the next 20 years worth of federal expenditures to lower death from Coronvirus is a different question. It is impossible. But even if it were feasible, what else are we losing by spending all that money to do that, even if we had it? At some point, there are these tradeoffs that nobody wants to make or discuss. They are there whether we like them or not, and cures are not going to drop from the sky in the next 12 months. Pure fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Singapore via the LA Times:

“Without a vaccine or antiviral drug, we should expect to deal with this virus [for] the long haul.”

https://apple.news/Azt7ahth2SaiM48oQgrgOnA

Of course. I don't think that settles the question. The virus does not disappear while we are locked down. Flattening the curve does not eliminate the problem more generally. And the federal and state governments cannot simply pay Americans (or even 20% of the workforce) to stay home for a year. The markets (and Chinese) cannot finance it, and even if they could, we'd be in debt for the next 20 years. There will be staged exposure and returns to work when testing improves and then we will see how quickly we get to herd immunity. It will take some time but anybody who thinks we are locked in for a year has absolutely no idea how the world works. It is absolutely economically impossible. Whether it is appropriate to spend the next 20 years worth of federal expenditures to lower death from Coronvirus is a different question. It is impossible. But even if it were feasible, what else are we losing by spending all that money to do that, even if we had it? At some point, there are these tradeoffs that nobody wants to make or discuss. They are there whether we like them or not, and cures are not going to drop from the sky in the next 12 months. Pure fantasy.

+1. We'll have the virus around just like any other virus. We hope there's soon a vaccine, we hope maybe folks build up immunity, at least to this strain, but it's not going away. And flattening the curve isn't to keep everyone from getting the virus, it's to keep everyone from getting it at the same time. If you look at the models, there's none where it suddenly just goes away, it is just dragging out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Soccer and other youth sports will bramble to re-start until Spring 2021. Because of Spring 2020 was cancelled, clubs will not charge any fees to families that had already covered their fees for the full 19/20 program. My family paid full fees for the 19/20 program for 3 kids. If coaches are not being paid then clubs have the extra money they can keep for next Spring. If coaches are being paid, then clubs have the extra money to cover tournaments and league games for Spring 2021.

Why guess? Do you have something else your kids need to do that requires you to be certain it does not start until Spring 2021? Unless you are a coach or a club, it is pointless to try to guess when it happens. The variance on these estimates will be nuts.

Something else? Yes my kids need to be healthy. If it’s going a take one year for them to go back to do normal sports again then that’s what is going a take. A vaccine will be the only remedy to this crisis. Who knows, a vaccine may already exists and this is just hidden to all of us, as complications and prevention measures were. This is a war - affecting economy, killing population, harming the weakest ( health system). Who stand up? The one with the advanced epidemiological technology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Soccer and other youth sports will bramble to re-start until Spring 2021. Because of Spring 2020 was cancelled, clubs will not charge any fees to families that had already covered their fees for the full 19/20 program. My family paid full fees for the 19/20 program for 3 kids. If coaches are not being paid then clubs have the extra money they can keep for next Spring. If coaches are being paid, then clubs have the extra money to cover tournaments and league games for Spring 2021.

Why guess? Do you have something else your kids need to do that requires you to be certain it does not start until Spring 2021? Unless you are a coach or a club, it is pointless to try to guess when it happens. The variance on these estimates will be nuts.

Something else? Yes my kids need to be healthy. If it’s going a take one year for them to go back to do normal sports again then that’s what is going a take. A vaccine will be the only remedy to this crisis. Who knows, a vaccine may already exists and this is just hidden to all of us, as complications and prevention measures were. This is a war - affecting economy, killing population, harming the weakest ( health system). Who stand up? The one with the advanced epidemiological technology.

Who’ll stand up? I meant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Soccer and other youth sports will bramble to re-start until Spring 2021. Because of Spring 2020 was cancelled, clubs will not charge any fees to families that had already covered their fees for the full 19/20 program. My family paid full fees for the 19/20 program for 3 kids. If coaches are not being paid then clubs have the extra money they can keep for next Spring. If coaches are being paid, then clubs have the extra money to cover tournaments and league games for Spring 2021.

Why guess? Do you have something else your kids need to do that requires you to be certain it does not start until Spring 2021? Unless you are a coach or a club, it is pointless to try to guess when it happens. The variance on these estimates will be nuts.

Something else? Yes my kids need to be healthy. If it’s going a take one year for them to go back to do normal sports again then that’s what is going a take. A vaccine will be the only remedy to this crisis. Who knows, a vaccine may already exists and this is just hidden to all of us, as complications and prevention measures were. This is a war - affecting economy, killing population, harming the weakest ( health system). Who stand up? The one with the advanced epidemiological technology.

Who’ll stand up? I meant.

We get all that. The question is why you need to know exactly when. Whenever seems safe seems like your answer. But why try to guess the date? It seems rather difficult to predict, and for purposes of soccer, utterly pointless. Now wash your hands again and get back to work.

[Anonymous]

Fall 2021

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021

You're delusional. It'll be well before that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Singapore via the LA Times:

“Without a vaccine or antiviral drug, we should expect to deal with this virus [for] the long haul.”

https://apple.news/Azt7ahth2SaiM48oQgrgOnA

Of course. I don't think that settles the question. The virus does not disappear while we are locked down. Flattening the curve does not eliminate the problem more generally. And the federal and state governments cannot simply pay Americans (or even 20% of the workforce) to stay home for a year. The markets (and Chinese) cannot finance it, and even if they could, we'd be in debt for the next 20 years. There will be staged exposure and returns to work when testing improves and then we will see how quickly we get to herd immunity. It will take some time but anybody who thinks we are locked in for a year has absolutely no idea how the world works. It is absolutely economically impossible. Whether it is appropriate to spend the next 20 years worth of federal expenditures to lower death from Coronvirus is a different question. It is impossible. But even if it were feasible, what else are we losing by spending all that money to do that, even if we had it? At some point, there are these tradeoffs that nobody wants to make or discuss. They are there whether we like them or not, and cures are not going to drop from the sky in the next 12 months. Pure fantasy.

Ya, if you read the whole article rather than just the one quotation, most of the medical scenarios are covered: waves of infection, tightening and loosening of restrictions to manage medical resources, slow build-up of herd immunity. All adding up to "dealing with this virus." Of course we can't just have everyone sit inside for 12-18 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Singapore via the LA Times:

“Without a vaccine or antiviral drug, we should expect to deal with this virus [for] the long haul.”

https://apple.news/Azt7ahth2SaiM48oQgrgOnA

Of course. I don't think that settles the question. The virus does not disappear while we are locked down. Flattening the curve does not eliminate the problem more generally. And the federal and state governments cannot simply pay Americans (or even 20% of the workforce) to stay home for a year. The markets (and Chinese) cannot finance it, and even if they could, we'd be in debt for the next 20 years. There will be staged exposure and returns to work when testing improves and then we will see how quickly we get to herd immunity. It will take some time but anybody who thinks we are locked in for a year has absolutely no idea how the world works. It is absolutely economically impossible. Whether it is appropriate to spend the next 20 years worth of federal expenditures to lower death from Coronvirus is a different question. It is impossible. But even if it were feasible, what else are we losing by spending all that money to do that, even if we had it? At some point, there are these tradeoffs that nobody wants to make or discuss. They are there whether we like them or not, and cures are not going to drop from the sky in the next 12 months. Pure fantasy.

+1. We'll have the virus around just like any other virus. We hope there's soon a vaccine, we hope maybe folks build up immunity, at least to this strain, but it's not going away. And flattening the curve isn't to keep everyone from getting the virus, it's to keep everyone from getting it at the same time. If you look at the models, there's none where it suddenly just goes away, it is just dragging out.

It will be around, but it won't be "just like any other virus." This virus is more lethal than anything widely circulating in the U.S. that came before it, and as you can already see in New York, it can quickly overwhelm hospitals and the health care system. The social distancing and business closures that we've implemented now are the only tools we have to try to keep it from completely overrunning every health care resource we have. The experts have talked about successive rounds of re-implementing social distancing and business closures after we're past the current outbreak, but that will depend on the availability of widespread testing and contract tracing to catch future outbreaks early during periods where we're trying to return to some semblance of "normalcy." But nothing is going to feel normal if people know there's a decent chance they can catch a potentially deadly illness on the subway, in a meeting at work, or on a trip to the grocery store. And while kids, so far, don't seem too badly affected by the virus, I suspect many parents won't feel comfortable having them in school (or playing club sports and other activities). We're going to see a wide-scale pulling back from public life for the next 18 months to two years, until a safe and effective vaccine is developed. "Just like any other virus"? No way.

[Anonymous]

Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

And I feel sorry for your kids if you think they are incapable of grasping both the fact of the crisis and the necessity of gearing up for life beyond it. But nice not-so-humble-brag! Guessing you are not raising them to be rocket scientists, but that’s fine. The world needs more youth star soccer players getting a full ride to mediocre schools!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

And I feel sorry for your kids if you think they are incapable of grasping both the fact of the crisis and the necessity of gearing up for life beyond it. But nice not-so-humble-brag! Guessing you are not raising them to be rocket scientists, but that’s fine. The world needs more youth star soccer players getting a full ride to mediocre schools!

+1. Not to mention the snark towards "coaches that coach little kid soccer". Sounds like OP's kids may be on track to be one of these lowly and unimportant "youth coaches".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

And I feel sorry for your kids if you think they are incapable of grasping both the fact of the crisis and the necessity of gearing up for life beyond it. But nice not-so-humble-brag! Guessing you are not raising them to be rocket scientists, but that’s fine. The world needs more youth star soccer players getting a full ride to mediocre schools!

Actually, I think he/she probably is raising them to be rocket scientists. Hence, the focus on online school/home learning and other things.

Soccer is a sport that 99% of American kids will not play past HS. I would say about 75% of soccer parents cannot grasp that fact and all of the next Alex Morgan or Messi in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

This is totally separate from should soccer be cancelled, refunded , are players penalized etc. Financial pressures are real as we are a small business owner. And not sure, what age your kids are.

But for kids in middle school and high school, there is a lot of research by experts in psychology, adolescent mental health, resilience etc - that continuing daily routines, physical activity, doing what you can control in a situation when you don't have a lot of control, etc is helpful for kids for their mental health. Our schools are sending out resources on a daily basis from experts supporting this philosophy.

We have middle and high school kids, they need the structure of still doing activities (conditioning, drills, connecting with team mates) for their mental health, if not their physical health. So yes, for their mental health, we are encouraging and supporting daily routines on sports. I'm not saying it has to be tied to app, zoom, etc. Though our coach interaction has been helpful and based on what I know, other parents are grateful for that interaction as well. If it's stressful or unhelpful for kids, then don't do it. If it may help them, maybe consider it. Everybody's experience is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not in 2020. We emailed our coaxhes and said none of our DC have time for Zoom meetings. Basically dared them to challenge our decision. And we are at a big DA club! All of them backed down. 2 of them admitted they were told to do it. Our players are top on their teams. Told them we would be ready to worry about soccer at the end of the year and that no one we knew gives a crap right now about sports. Health, jobs, savings. Not the coaches that coach little kid soccer. Ours are in tremendous shape and not worrying about juggling at home. Feel bad for all the new parents worried their player may be penalized. Told one coach the club was an ass for not sending communications that there was no realistic chance for group training anything in 2020. He agreed.

And I feel sorry for your kids if you think they are incapable of grasping both the fact of the crisis and the necessity of gearing up for life beyond it. But nice not-so-humble-brag! Guessing you are not raising them to be rocket scientists, but that’s fine. The world needs more youth star soccer players getting a full ride to mediocre schools!

Actually, I think he/she probably is raising them to be rocket scientists. Hence, the focus on online school/home learning and other things.

Soccer is a sport that 99% of American kids will not play past HS. I would say about 75% of soccer parents cannot grasp that fact and all of the next Alex Morgan or Messi in their home.

99% won't play past HS and the vast majority of them don't really want to anyway.