Virginia Tech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

Of course. For some reason it rankles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

. you are so wrong. Look at the SCHEV stats. We’ve got two threads going at the same time bashing both VT and W&M at the same time for absurd claims. Look at the stats of the entering class. That’s your proof that these institutions are doing just fine and are highly sought after by the best in the Commonwealth. I have no dog in this race so I suspect the usual sour grapes thAt come this time of year when applicants don’t get in ED or EA. We are very fortunate to have such fine institutions for state residents. Jeff has been responsive to school bashing in the past. If this doesn’t stop I will report as I have in the past. The actual Gpa and test scores if the entering class for both can be found at SCHEV.edu. Those stats show how difficult it has become to get into these schools. I would have been thrilled to have one of my kids go to these schools but she didn’t have the stats. VT may be a safety fir TJ top scorers but it is not as PP says. And yes students from Virginia self- select into these schools and are also self-directed by state high school college counselors who have to check off that “most rigorous” box. As a Virginian who sent three to in-state schools (one now at oxford: another in law school) I find these institution bashing threads elitist and for the most part both ignorant and cruel to the tens of thousands of students who attend them and are trying very hard to get in. So I report and Jeff almost always deletes

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It’s not bashing when there’s a screen shot of the data.

And the GPAs go up to 4.6 and 5.0. Lets not play dumb about gpa.

[Anonymous]

My ds graduated last year from one of the M named FCPS high schools. Her friends that went to VT were the kids who took regular level classes and had GPAs between 3.5 and 3.8

His best friend is there now. Know for a fact he had a 27 ACT score and never took the SAT. His GPA was a weighted 3.6 and the highest math class he took was precalc. He’s in the business school and was admitted EA. No hooks. Regular white suburban kid.

It’s hard to get into engineering there, but it’s easy for every other decent student in the state.

[Anonymous]

It’s my understanding that Tech is focusing on attracting first gen students, and that there is a big push.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My ds graduated last year from one of the M named FCPS high schools. Her friends that went to VT were the kids who took regular level classes and had GPAs between 3.5 and 3.8

His best friend is there now. Know for a fact he had a 27 ACT score and never took the SAT. His GPA was a weighted 3.6 and the highest math class he took was precalc. He’s in the business school and was admitted EA. No hooks. Regular white suburban kid.

It’s hard to get into engineering there, but it’s easy for every other decent student in the state.

It wasn’t easy in 2018. My kid had a 3.4 and SAT in high 1500s and didn’t get in. Wtf?

[Anonymous]

Our DD (4.3/34 ACT) wants to major in animal science/pre-vet. There really is no other choice for us but Virginia Tech. We're not paying out-of-state $$$ for University of Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My ds graduated last year from one of the M named FCPS high schools. Her friends that went to VT were the kids who took regular level classes and had GPAs between 3.5 and 3.8

His best friend is there now. Know for a fact he had a 27 ACT score and never took the SAT. His GPA was a weighted 3.6 and the highest math class he took was precalc. He’s in the business school and was admitted EA. No hooks. Regular white suburban kid.

It’s hard to get into engineering there, but it’s easy for every other decent student in the state.

Not sure what a "regular white suburban kid" means, but I call BS on these stats for acceptance into Tech's Business school. As for the other kids you claim were accepted between 3.5-3.8 w/regular level classes, I doubt you have access to all their applications to know all their stats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

Of course. For some reason it rankles.

It rankles those people who stupidly ascribe a school's educational value to its admissions rates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

Of course. For some reason it rankles.

It rankles those people who stupidly ascribe a school's educational value to its admissions rates.

+1

Every Tech grad I know (and I work with mostly engineers) has been extremely competent and well prepared when they leave there.

I don't care what the acceptance rate is (look up "self selecting"), I would hire a Tech grad 10 times out of 10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

Of course. For some reason it rankles.

So you agree. Because That WAS the argument - that the acceptance rate was high...at 60-70%
No one is arguing about educational value and competence.

In general. Some People argue one way. Then data is shown and they change their point of view.

It rankles those people who stupidly ascribe a school's educational value to its admissions rates.

+1

Every Tech grad I know (and I work with mostly engineers) has been extremely competent and well prepared when they leave there.

I don't care what the acceptance rate is (look up "self selecting"), I would hire a Tech grad 10 times out of 10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

You're kidding, right? Anyone in the state of Virginia knows that Tech is a common safety school. 70% acceptance rate will do that. It's a fine school. But let's not deny reality.

Of course. For some reason it rankles.

So you agree. Because That WAS the argument - that the acceptance rate was high...at 60-70%
No one is arguing about educational value and competence.

In general. Some People argue one way. Then data is shown and they change their point of view.

It rankles those people who stupidly ascribe a school's educational value to its admissions rates.

+1

Every Tech grad I know (and I work with mostly engineers) has been extremely competent and well prepared when they leave there.

I don't care what the acceptance rate is (look up "self selecting"), I would hire a Tech grad 10 times out of 10.

I agree that it's a strong school for engineering and students that can make it through the program emerge as solid engineers. (I personally wouldn't say it's great preparation for every field they teach--like most schools it's varied). But I think you're undermining your argument with the "self-selecting" comment --all schools are self-selecting in some sense (especially now that there's so much data available on admissions) but VT accepts a lot more students at the low end than other strong VA schools (in part because below the 25% in a larger school there are more spots), and it has a higher acceptance rate than UVA/WM in-state and from many strong engineering schools out of state, so it is a safety for many competent students. It's not more self-selecting than any other similar institution. It's a fairly big school that accepts a lot of students in a state with a lot of good public institutions. Like you said, this doesn't tell you anything all that meaningful about its educational quality.

[Anonymous]

Here's the funny thing about the VT bashers... UVA and W&M are small schools for what they are. Yes, UVA has 16k students, but for a state flagship, it's small. One of the reasons why UVA and W&M can maintain their stature and size is because of the size of VT and the number of in state student it accepts. It's amazing that VT can have a highly ranked engineering program (among others) and serve as another option for students that aren't accepted to UVA or W&M or don't want to go to those schools in the first place. VA as a state has great options!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems in general that they are trying to get out of being a safety school. Some high stat kids have been turned down the last couple of years while lower stat kids admitted. They probably don’t care much about early action. It’s just more kids applying to a long list of schools and it doesn’t help them predict their enrollment. They might get a handful of yeses to EA offers. How would it help them better manage their enrollment?

VT is not and has never been a "safety school"

And has not let in kids with lower stats than others for a majority.

Oh, please. You didn’t grow up here, did you? Tech was very much a safety in the 80s and 90s. I was a very average student and didn’t get into UVA or JMU - but I did get into VT. As did all of my average friends. Things have definitely changed since then, but it was absolutely a safety school at one time.