Middle school magnet and MAP scores

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks, my kid had a huge jump in the one she took today but her score was already 98th percentile in Fall, was just wondering if it might help.

What is the appeals process out of interest?

98th percentile is too low.

Well, gee, thanks, did you read the part about where I said she had a huge jump today? (I can spell that out for you if you’d like but it means way above 99th which is where she’s been at since K.) But thanks for your superior insight. Strangely kids I knew who got in last year had scored significantly below that but, whatever, I’ll just listen to you, wise one.

Stop. I've been in your shoes, so I'm just telling you how it is. If you appeal with Winter scores, they might move your kid from reject to waitlist as a gesture, and then never take her off the waitlist. Now that MCPS has opened the magnets seats to ALL 5th graders, which is a good thing, kids need to have more than 99th percentile MAPs and very high entrance exam scores.

My 99th+ percentile kid dances rings around my 98th percentile kid. Most non-scientists don't understand this, but "slight" differences at the leading edge translate to very different IQ scores. A 99.1th percentile student is not nearly as highly functioning as a 99.9th percentile student, whereas there is virtually no functional difference between the 50.0 and 50.8 percentile.

So true - my 99.9% kid dances rings around those lowly 99% kids too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

Errr I mean your childs MAP score IS safely within the range of kids that were admitted in years past.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

Errr I mean your childs MAP score IS safely within the range of kids that were admitted in years past.

NP here. PP, can you give us a sense of the range of MAP-M scores you’ve seen in years past, for admitted students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

Errr I mean your childs MAP score IS safely within the range of kids that were admitted in years past.

NP here. PP, can you give us a sense of the range of MAP-M scores you’ve seen in years past, for admitted students?

The process changed two years ago so anything earlier is irrelevant. DC got in last year (on appeal) with a score in range of 265-270. The scores approaching 300 usually mean the kid received outside instruction beyond compacted math. It’s an achievement test not an IQ test. There are some 6th graders at TPMS who are in 7th grade magnet math because somehow they covered the 6th grade magnet material in elementary. But most did not attend schools that had that option (nor an out of school program). This test is not intended to distinguish among the 99th percentile, and even if it was, at that point you are mostly measuring opportunity to learn.

[Anonymous]

A child that got in from my DD's school had a MAP score in the high 260 range but I'm guessing her Cogat scores were very high. She's very bright.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

Errr I mean your childs MAP score IS safely within the range of kids that were admitted in years past.

NP here. PP, can you give us a sense of the range of MAP-M scores you’ve seen in years past, for admitted students?

The process changed two years ago so anything earlier is irrelevant. DC got in last year (on appeal) with a score in range of 265-270. The scores approaching 300 usually mean the kid received outside instruction beyond compacted math. It’s an achievement test not an IQ test. There are some 6th graders at TPMS who are in 7th grade magnet math because somehow they covered the 6th grade magnet material in elementary. But most did not attend schools that had that option (nor an out of school program). This test is not intended to distinguish among the 99th percentile, and even if it was, at that point you are mostly measuring opportunity to learn.

PP, what factors did you list in your appeal? Genuinely curious.
There's a kid in DC's class who's scoring close to 300 on MAP-M, and he says his father's teaching him math on the side, 'for fun'.

[Anonymous]

My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

Any admission info from the last two years needs to include the home middle school, right? Because cohort is one of those additional factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

I think the CogAT is most important metric for acceptance as it's the only score listed in the acceptance letter. Report card grades are also listed as something that is reviewed. MAP scores are not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

Any admission info from the last two years needs to include the home middle school, right? Because cohort is one of those additional factors.

Yes, and I think it was significant in this case (my kid). But PARCC, grades, and CogAT were also factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

PP, thank you for this helpful information. Are you willing to tell us what your home middle school is? Or (if you’re not comfortable with that) maybe something broader, like your assigned high school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's map-m jumped from 277 in fall to 296 in winter. Will definitely appeal use this as part of the evidence if not accepted. I know some ppl did it last year and succeeded so definitely worth a try and tell your kid to treat this round seriously.

Based on past year results I don't think your childs map score is well within the range of kids that are accepted. If they didn't get in it would have been another of the criteria like CogAT.

Errr I mean your childs MAP score IS safely within the range of kids that were admitted in years past.

NP here. PP, can you give us a sense of the range of MAP-M scores you’ve seen in years past, for admitted students?

The process changed two years ago so anything earlier is irrelevant. DC got in last year (on appeal) with a score in range of 265-270. The scores approaching 300 usually mean the kid received outside instruction beyond compacted math. It’s an achievement test not an IQ test. There are some 6th graders at TPMS who are in 7th grade magnet math because somehow they covered the 6th grade magnet material in elementary. But most did not attend schools that had that option (nor an out of school program). This test is not intended to distinguish among the 99th percentile, and even if it was, at that point you are mostly measuring opportunity to learn.

PP, what factors did you list in your appeal? Genuinely curious.
There's a kid in DC's class who's scoring close to 300 on MAP-M, and he says his father's teaching him math on the side, 'for fun'.

We tried to explain why we thought TPMS was a much better fit than our home middle school with enriched classes (specific to our DC’s previous educational experiences). I don’t know what worked for others, or whether kids who did get in from appeal tended to be from certain parts of the county or similar in some way. They are definitely not just looking for the highest MAP scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

PP, thank you for this helpful information. Are you willing to tell us what your home middle school is? Or (if you’re not comfortable with that) maybe something broader, like your assigned high school?

The home MS is Banneker, seen in this document as having a pretty small cohort: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/MS%20Magnet%20Field%20Test%20Data%20by%20Sending%20MS.pdf

My kid did have good grades, PARCC, CoGAT, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child got accepted to TPMS last year with a fall MAP-M of 246. Other kids with higher scores were not accepted (based on DCUM posts at the time). Admission depends on more than just that score.

PP, thank you for this helpful information. Are you willing to tell us what your home middle school is? Or (if you’re not comfortable with that) maybe something broader, like your assigned high school?

The home MS is Banneker, seen in this document as having a pretty small cohort: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/msmagnet/about/MS%20Magnet%20Field%20Test%20Data%20by%20Sending%20MS.pdf

My kid did have good grades, PARCC, CoGAT, etc.

Thanks!