MCPS v FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the HYP issue, there is such a big difference between the Greatschool ratings in Potomac/Bethesda vs. NoVA. The former are uniformly 9s and 10s. Quite literally nothing below that. NoVA schools, other than Langley/McLean and some of their feeders, are all 5-7s. Even the AAP center schools like Louise Archer. I don’t understand why that is. Surely it can’t all be about “equity” since there are low income/ESL students in MoCo too?

Since the greatschools rating changed to include the diversity most of the FCPS schools ratings dropped by 2 or more points.

And they use different tests AND different comparison groups (Great Schools is not a national standard, it gives you a number compared to local nearby districts--so MCPS compares to Prince Georges, Baltimore county while FCPS compares to Loudoun, Arlington)

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the HYP issue, there is such a big difference between the Greatschool ratings in Potomac/Bethesda vs. NoVA. The former are uniformly 9s and 10s. Quite literally nothing below that. NoVA schools, other than Langley/McLean and some of their feeders, are all 5-7s. Even the AAP center schools like Louise Archer. I don’t understand why that is. Surely it can’t all be about “equity” since there are low income/ESL students in MoCo too?

Happen to know which school district Potomac falls under? as far as comparing MCPS or FCPS, it seems MCPS does have a higher rating in middle, slightly better elementery but about the same in high school.
MCPS does invest more for their students of spending about 17k per student while FCPS spends about 15k.

Potomac private? MoCo has a lot of private schools, more so than NoVa.

Also, MoCo has a higher FARMs rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

Since it seems you believe two different standard test can't be used to check the standards for FCPS and MCPS, how about looking at SAT avearge scores of FCPS of 1213 while MCPS ahas 1167? or FCPS ACT average of 29 while MCPS of 23.9?

Where did you get those numbers?
If you want to check how they compare, check the AP passing rate. That's the closest you can get for a fair comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

You cannot be that clueless right? two different tests, well a lot of states use their own tests the point of the standardization test is to measure the student's achievement in comparing with national average.
It really doesn't matter what test it is, it is testing for the standards.

Wrong, it is to measure the student's achievement in comparison to the State average.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

You cannot be that clueless right? two different tests, well a lot of states use their own tests the point of the standardization test is to measure the student's achievement in comparing with national average.
It really doesn't matter what test it is, it is testing for the standards.

Wrong, it is to measure the student's achievement in comparison to the State average.

Wrong, student achievement tests are measured against the national average as it is mandated by the Federal standards specially with PARCC MCPS is using is being used by many states.
PARCC-assessment.org states following "For the first time, states now can compare results accurately. What it means to be ready for success in college or careers shouldn’t vary from state to state. And every student, regardless of zip code, should have the same expectations and opportunities to succeed." FCPS uses their own version called SOL but it has to align with the national standards to be accepted by Federal mandate

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

Since it seems you believe two different standard test can't be used to check the standards for FCPS and MCPS, how about looking at SAT avearge scores of FCPS of 1213 while MCPS ahas 1167? or FCPS ACT average of 29 while MCPS of 23.9?

Where did you get those numbers?
If you want to check how they compare, check the AP passing rate. That's the closest you can get for a fair comparison.

While looking at the AP passing rate will provide information as to advanced study students in each county, it is only counting 40k students who takes the exam not the entire county school system. in MCPS 2018, 70.8% earned college ready score. I was not able to locate score for FCPS in 2018 but in 2017 FCPS AP passing rate was 74%. both states seems to have similar number of students who took the AP exam.
As far as ACT scores, it seems my source on FCPS score of 29 is incorrect as in 2017 FCPS ACT average composite scores were 26.25, https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/fcps-postsecondary-profile while MCPS had 25.1 in 2018 https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-students-score-nearly-five-points-higher-than-national-average-on-act/

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

You cannot be that clueless right? two different tests, well a lot of states use their own tests the point of the standardization test is to measure the student's achievement in comparing with national average.
It really doesn't matter what test it is, it is testing for the standards.

Wrong, it is to measure the student's achievement in comparison to the State average.

Wrong, student achievement tests are measured against the national average as it is mandated by the Federal standards specially with PARCC MCPS is using is being used by many states.
PARCC-assessment.org states following "For the first time, states now can compare results accurately. What it means to be ready for success in college or careers shouldn’t vary from state to state. And every student, regardless of zip code, should have the same expectations and opportunities to succeed." FCPS uses their own version called SOL but it has to align with the national standards to be accepted by Federal mandate

Where does it say it measures against national average? This is what it also says.

"When administering the PARCC assessment, states will be able to tailor the exams to their standards, classes, and other accountability tools that are unique to each state."

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

Since it seems you believe two different standard test can't be used to check the standards for FCPS and MCPS, how about looking at SAT avearge scores of FCPS of 1213 while MCPS ahas 1167? or FCPS ACT average of 29 while MCPS of 23.9?

Where did you get those numbers?
If you want to check how they compare, check the AP passing rate. That's the closest you can get for a fair comparison.

While looking at the AP passing rate will provide information as to advanced study students in each county, it is only counting 40k students who takes the exam not the entire county school system. in MCPS 2018, 70.8% earned college ready score. I was not able to locate score for FCPS in 2018 but in 2017 FCPS AP passing rate was 74%. both states seems to have similar number of students who took the AP exam.
As far as ACT scores, it seems my source on FCPS score of 29 is incorrect as in 2017 FCPS ACT average composite scores were 26.25, https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/performance-and-accountability/fcps-postsecondary-profile while MCPS had 25.1 in 2018 https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-students-score-nearly-five-points-higher-than-national-average-on-act/

The college ready score (a passing rate of 3 and above ) for FCPS for 2017 is NOT 74%.
Try again.

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^^^
I stand corrected.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

Poster of the numbers here.

I didn't cherry pick. I just picked 8 those were the highest numbers in both counties-- which you would understand once you started to tally the numbers, they drop significantly after five or so schools. So if the highest numbers in MD < VA, then the list that the OP was posting is off. Also, a total number isn't what the OP was looking for. OP was asking why there were more schools with "high" numbers of HYPS grads according to that list. I was just explaining that it isn't the number of schools that you should look at, it is also the number sent from the top high schools.

You argue that we have only one great school and that is TJ. I agree. And that's why we moved to FCPS instead of MCPS. It's not just the best school in the county. It's one of the best in the country and it's great. But FCPS also has 3 schools in nationally ranked in the top 200 of US News McLean, Oakton, Langley, and 7 schools in the top 10 of VA, not including TJ. MCPS has Whitman and Wootton nationally, and 4 in the top 10 of MD. So even though we have 1 great school, we have 7 good enough schools in our county compared to your 4. Essentially, we have 75% more schools than that of MCPS that are good enough compared to TJ.


https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland

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If the kids wants to go to a magnet program, nothing is better than TJ. A whole school magnet provides different experience than 100 magnet students in a local school. If you kids are good student but doesnt want a highly competitive program, MCPS has a number of local schools with strong academics.
The real outliers will do well in any place but the top 5-10% students would be fine in magnet or local HS in MCPS.
It seems most top talents in FCPS select TJ so the local schools have less peers for top students.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids wants to go to a magnet program, nothing is better than TJ. A whole school magnet provides different experience than 100 magnet students in a local school. If you kids are good student but doesnt want a highly competitive program, MCPS has a number of local schools with strong academics.
The real outliers will do well in any place but the top 5-10% students would be fine in magnet or local HS in MCPS.
It seems most top talents in FCPS select TJ so the local schools have less peers for top students.

But those 100 spots are more competitive than the whole class at TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

Poster of the numbers here.

I didn't cherry pick. I just picked 8 those were the highest numbers in both counties-- which you would understand once you started to tally the numbers, they drop significantly after five or so schools. So if the highest numbers in MD < VA, then the list that the OP was posting is off. Also, a total number isn't what the OP was looking for. OP was asking why there were more schools with "high" numbers of HYPS grads according to that list. I was just explaining that it isn't the number of schools that you should look at, it is also the number sent from the top high schools.

You argue that we have only one great school and that is TJ. I agree. And that's why we moved to FCPS instead of MCPS. It's not just the best school in the county. It's one of the best in the country and it's great. But FCPS also has 3 schools in nationally ranked in the top 200 of US News McLean, Oakton, Langley, and 7 schools in the top 10 of VA, not including TJ. MCPS has Whitman and Wootton nationally, and 4 in the top 10 of MD. So even though we have 1 great school, we have 7 good enough schools in our county compared to your 4. Essentially, we have 75% more schools than that of MCPS that are good enough compared to TJ.


https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland

Case closed.
7 in the top 10 in VA means nothing. It just reinforces the fact the they are no other good schools in VA.
FCPS cannot compete with MCPS but keep cherry picked numbers to make you feel better.
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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kids wants to go to a magnet program, nothing is better than TJ. A whole school magnet provides different experience than 100 magnet students in a local school. If you kids are good student but doesnt want a highly competitive program, MCPS has a number of local schools with strong academics.
The real outliers will do well in any place but the top 5-10% students would be fine in magnet or local HS in MCPS.
It seems most top talents in FCPS select TJ so the local schools have less peers for top students.

But those 100 spots are more competitive than the whole class at TJ

MCPS has 250 highly competitive magnet slots: 100 at Blair, 100 at RMIB, and 50 for upcounty in Poolesville. Spreading the top talent into 3 campus really hurt the competitiveness for the top students in MCPS. While TJ could form a science bowl team with top students from NoVa, Blair, RM, and Pooseville divided the talents into three teams.

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Fairfax has more people, a younger population, higher property values, higher percentages of adults with high school and college degrees, lower social services assistance payments, higher retail sales, more jobs, shorter commutes, higher median household incomes, and a lower poverty rate than Montgomery.

When you take that into account, it’s no surprise Terp Boy or whoever else has decided to take up the cause is going to try and promote MCPS over FCPS, but it’s an uphill battle and has been for many years now.