MCPS v FCPS?
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Anonymous
In which STEM program? Man, you all are clueless |
Anonymous
| So lots TJ kids go to UVa and Blair sends kids to UMd. UVA is a higher rated school. That does not mean TJ is a better school. Many public schools choose in state options for the price. With average SAT of 1590, Blair magnet kids have plenty of choices. |
Anonymous
LOL UMD won the NCAA championship too, so? |
Anonymous
I know, I know. It's painful to watch that beatdown. |
Really? U.Va ranked #28
Anonymous
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FCPS posters only talk about TJ. MCPS spreads out its smart kids to other magnets, not just to Blair, but FCPS posters still only look at Blair. That is why you are called idiots. It's almost like you treat the other schools as the ugly stepchildren.
Take a look at the total numbers of each district, not just TJ. There are a few non magnet MCPS HS that are also on the list in that article OP posted - Wootton, Churchill. Whitman, and RM (another non whole school magnet).. but no other FCPS HS. The next FCPS HS on the polaris list is Langley at 6. Go to the polaris website. Add up all numbers for the HS and get the proportional rate. That is a much better comparison. I think what you will find is that, based on the polaris list, the proportionally numbers between the two districts are fairly close. |
Anonymous
And yet you still post. Making assumptions on a population is standard for mathematics. If you actually took anything beyond high school algebra you would know that. It’s not made up and it’s not cherry picking. However, as you blatantly ignore all of the other stuff posted, I doubt that you had much of an IQ to begin with. |
Anonymous
First off, you keep pounding STEM, like it's somehow just one thing. (Just a refresher, STEM = SCIENCE TECH ENGINEERING MATH). If you read the threads, a poster already mentioned that MD isn't as highly ranked as VT in ENGINEERING. Which is several fields. If you really want to push the whole UMD is a "juggernaut" in STEM, you need to actually somehow prove that it's better than VT. Other posters didn't claim that: they claimed that UVA is #4 in Public Colleges/Uni while MD isn't that high and doesn't rank in anything other than CompSci.. You however, are somehow stuck on this STEM thing, and so other posters have pointed out how other schools can be better than UMD at STEM (in this case engineering) such that there is no way that UMD is a "juggernaut." I understand this is hard for you. MD used to be a great school. Top 10. It's slipped. Get over it. |
Anonymous
Yeah. 20 years ago. 20 years ago Blair was really special too. Now.... not so much. And that's what is really hard for you guys to understand. |
Anonymous
Actually, TJ is a better school because it sends more kids to HYPS and it's ranked #4 in US News. But somehow, no one seems to want to account for that because there is an assumption of a population rate-- which although can be predictive, it's not statistically guaranteed. |
Anonymous
Actually: we look at Blair because MCPS keeps saying that Blair has better STEM. But comparing a school that has 100 magnet kids vs. a school with 423 magnet kids is foolhardy at best. And that somehow, having the #4 school in the country isn't as good as having Blair and RM and Poolesville.
They are fairly close. When this was brought up though, then MCPS throught out that Blair was somehow better than TJ. Which is great, but not true and not provable. And actually, they crazy thing is that even though they are close and the top schools send a huge number of kids to HYPS, the MCPS people were like: we have fewer kids! Our FARMS rate is higher! 
WW and TW have higher demographics than a lot of other places in the area. Some other poster mentioned it: but it's like MCPS just wants to argue whoever is richer. Which is why the US News Rankings have been posted... over and over again. |
Anonymous
Yet it is VA that has the thread not MD...who wants to argue? |
Anonymous
Most of what you stated is true enough.. however, the bolded is very true, also, and not to be discounted. This is true across the board, and not just related to this dumb argument about FCPS vs MCPS. When you look at the proportional rate and the % of FARMs, one would expect more from FCPS. Even within MCPS, one would expect a rich area like Churchill to send more kids to top colleges than, say, Einstein HS which has a much higher FARMS rate. You see this play out in FCPS, too, ie, McLean vs Annandale. |
Anonymous
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someone posted this weird stat:
TJ 79/200 = 39.5% Blair magnet 21/100 = 21% Why would you take out 200+ kids out of 423 (class in TJ) just because half go to UVA? How do you know if 100 of Blair magnet kids applied to HYP or whatever and not UMD? You really did pull that number out of your a$$. Don't make assumptions. Take the total number, even if half decided to not apply to those schools because you have no idea if 50%, 70%, or 10% of Blair magnet kids applied to those schools: 2015 to 2017 numbers: TJ 79/423 = 16.5% Blair magnet 100 (and assume all 21 on the polaris site are from the magnet) then 21/100 = 21%. |
Anonymous
Ok: then don't discount that TJ is #4 in the country in US News. Moreover, because the scales are so different, you can't apply one rate to another: there is no guarantee that if you added 323 kids to Blair you would get the same rate-- especially as Blair argues that they get the best of the best out of MoCo-- which implies that that 100 is the best and everyone else would just not do as well (which implies only 21/423 in Blair would go to HYPS). Alternatively, if you took away 323 kids away from TJ, there is no guarantee that the rate would be the same-- one can argue that if we only kept the best 100, it would be 79 HYPS grads, such that it would be 79/100. That's why the numbers were broken down to show that before: it's the assumption of rate that is wrong. Even on a bell curve: you just don't know the rate, but you know the hard numbers. That's why the overall ranking is important to note and that the hard number vs the rate number is important in the comparison-- unless Blair ACTUALLY had the same magnet size, the "rate" argument is not sufficiently predictive and the assumption that rate makes sense is wrong. And it's why that assumption isn't used on PolarisList or US News or GS. |
Anonymous
Theoretically, I agree. But I'm not sure that having a 5 point difference between the counties is significant. Considering what we spend per kid in FCPS vs. what you guys spend per kid in MoCo, and the fact that we have 25% more kids, I'm not sure that the FARMs rate is determinative at that level. Moreover, as I point out above: the rate at which kids go to HYPS is a false assumption. You can't reverse engineer a rate with a high enough predictability because the number of kids that go to HYPS cannot be determined simply on FARMs % or the magnet itself. That's why the rate at which graduates go to a four year college (and ergo, the US News Ranking) is far more reliable-- there are a ton more factors involved than a simple rate and hard numbers are more reliable predictor. I get why people are being dumb about this-- a lot of us purchased homes here and most of us are super competitive. But the reality is that given a choice: I would choose FCPS over MCPS any day. Just skimming what is going on in the MD boards makes me realize that we made the right choice moving here. |