What is going ON

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

He hasn’t been arrested yet because they expect to flip the dudes who have. They have some on Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer but with a flip they’ll have so much more.

And yet these guys were given the opportunity for freedom today with one million dollars bail each. Aren’t these people the definition of flight risk?

[Anonymous]

I find "The Daily" Podcast (free) from the New York Times helpful when I can't follow a story line. This particular mess hasn't been covered yet, but it probably will come out today or tomorrow. And it's about 20 minutes!

https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-daily

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plot Summary:
Every single person in the Trump Administration is irredeemably corrupt. A bunch of them have focused on bribing and/or bullying government officials in Ukraine and the US State Department personnel there. Anyone who wouldn’t be bullied or bribed has been smeared and forced out of the way. Trump has his own simple personal and political agenda in the Ukrainian extortion scheme, and he has allowed his emissaries and hangers-on to smuggle their own shakedowns into the Trump coercion effort in Ukraine. A lot of people have been bothered by parts of this but did not have evidence of the full scheme, so they did not come forward. A whistleblower thought Trump had finally gone too far and filed a complaint, and now the dam has broken and more criminal conspiracies are being exposed every day.

So why hasn't public opinion turned?

40% of the public support any and all Republican corruption, conspiracy, and self-dealing because they have been conned into believing that they will benefit from their patronage. They don’t get that the self-dealing demagogues think of them as fools who are easily manipulated by appeals to race and religion to give them unconditional support. This part is not new or original to Trump. He is just another in a long history of populist demagogues who manipulate the people they claim to represent but are only in it for themselves and their close conspirators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

He hasn’t been arrested yet because they expect to flip the dudes who have. They have some on Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer but with a flip they’ll have so much more.

And yet these guys were given the opportunity for freedom today with one million dollars bail each. Aren’t these people the definition of flight risk?

Any bail will involve ankle bracelets and surrender of passports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

they arrested the Parnas and pal because they were fleeing the country. Giuliani is such a fountain of voluntary criminal statements that no prosecutorr in his right mind would arrest him yet. Trump they can’t arrest, but he is also building the case against himself every day he wakes up a free man.

In the preceeding couple weeks, Barr, Pence, Pompeo people at OPM and others have become implicated. DoJ and state level prosecutors will continue to give these clowns rope to hang themselves.

As Pelosi predicted, “Trump will impeach himself.”

BTW, I prefict that when Giuliani is finally arrested, his lawyers will have him examined by a psychiatrist and they will claim he has some form of early dementia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

they arrested the Parnas and pal because they were fleeing the country. Giuliani is such a fountain of voluntary criminal statements that no prosecutorr in his right mind would arrest him yet. Trump they can’t arrest, but he is also building the case against himself every day he wakes up a free man.

In the preceeding couple weeks, Barr, Pence, Pompeo people at OPM and others have become implicated. DoJ and state level prosecutors will continue to give these clowns rope to hang themselves.

As Pelosi predicted, “Trump will impeach himself.”

BTW, I prefict (sic) that when Giuliani is finally arrested, his lawyers will have him examined by a psychiatrist and they will claim he has some form of early dementia.

Same with Trump.

[Anonymous]

Just about to post what PP said.
Conway's huge essay is a big out for any Trump prosecution. Also, no matter how much we may disdain US President, do we really want him indicted with a crime? No. For history's sake we probably don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

they arrested the Parnas and pal because they were fleeing the country. Giuliani is such a fountain of voluntary criminal statements that no prosecutorr in his right mind would arrest him yet. Trump they can’t arrest, but he is also building the case against himself every day he wakes up a free man.

In the preceeding couple weeks, Barr, Pence, Pompeo people at OPM and others have become implicated. DoJ and state level prosecutors will continue to give these clowns rope to hang themselves.

As Pelosi predicted, “Trump will impeach himself.”

BTW, I prefict (sic) that when Giuliani is finally arrested, his lawyers will have him examined by a psychiatrist and they will claim he has some form of early dementia.

Same with Trump.

And it could very well be true. Just because these people are amoral and corrupt, it doesn't mean they can't have dementia on top of it all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plot Summary:
Every single person in the Trump Administration is irredeemably corrupt. A bunch of them have focused on bribing and/or bullying government officials in Ukraine and the US State Department personnel there. Anyone who wouldn’t be bullied or bribed has been smeared and forced out of the way. Trump has his own simple personal and political agenda in the Ukrainian extortion scheme, and he has allowed his emissaries and hangers-on to smuggle their own shakedowns into the Trump coercion effort in Ukraine. A lot of people have been bothered by parts of this but did not have evidence of the full scheme, so they did not come forward. A whistleblower thought Trump had finally gone too far and filed a complaint, and now the dam has broken and more criminal conspiracies are being exposed every day.

So why hasn't public opinion turned?

40% of the public support any and all Republican corruption, conspiracy, and self-dealing because they have been conned into believing that they will benefit from their patronage. They don’t get that the self-dealing demagogues think of them as fools who are easily manipulated by appeals to race and religion to give them unconditional support. This part is not new or original to Trump. He is just another in a long history of populist demagogues who manipulate the people they claim to represent but are only in it for themselves and their close conspirators.

This. 30% are authoritarian, and they will not budge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just about to post what PP said.
Conway's huge essay is a big out for any Trump prosecution. Also, no matter how much we may disdain US President, do we really want him indicted with a crime? No. For history's sake we probably don't.

Narcissism is not insanity (or at least not legally).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just about to post what PP said.
Conway's huge essay is a big out for any Trump prosecution. Also, no matter how much we may disdain US President, do we really want him indicted with a crime? No. For history's sake we probably don't.

Yes, we do. Not indicting him doesn’t erase his crimes. His whole life has been a series of crimes and no one deserves prison more than a traitor who was entrusted with the highest office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just about to post what PP said.
Conway's huge essay is a big out for any Trump prosecution. Also, no matter how much we may disdain US President, do we really want him indicted with a crime? No. For history's sake we probably don't.

For history's sake we do. History requires that there be a record of justice reinforcing that no one is above the law, especially not public servants in positions of trust like the President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

He hasn’t been arrested yet because they expect to flip the dudes who have. They have some on Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer but with a flip they’ll have so much more.

And yet these guys were given the opportunity for freedom today with one million dollars bail each. Aren’t these people the definition of flight risk?

Any bail will involve ankle bracelets and surrender of passports.

So commercial airlines are probably out, but ....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just about to post what PP said.
Conway's huge essay is a big out for any Trump prosecution. Also, no matter how much we may disdain US President, do we really want him indicted with a crime? No. For history's sake we probably don't.

Yes! Why would you want him shielded from his crimes.

No one is above the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they arrested these two Ukranians, but Gulliani and Trump are still out there.....

He hasn’t been arrested yet because they expect to flip the dudes who have. They have some on Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer but with a flip they’ll have so much more.

And yet these guys were given the opportunity for freedom today with one million dollars bail each. Aren’t these people the definition of flight risk?

Any bail will involve ankle bracelets and surrender of passports.

So commercial airlines are probably out, but ....

You don’t know how ankle bracelets work if you think someone with one can get on a private plane and fly out of the country.