Comparison between top colleges and university

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying that non-STEM, non-Computer Science topics are inherently Social Justice Warrior? Nice. Glad the empirical world is so comfortable for you, while the realm of real-world humanity isn't.

Anonymous wrote:

I thought that by maximizing these measures, one could minimize the SJW horseshit that is prevalent in some schools.

+1000

Also, I'm glad to see another "spreadsheet parent".

Obviously that is not what I explicitly said. Please work on reading comprehension. BTW, I have a PhD in a social science and not a STEM subject.

You implied it. Learn to write better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College Size 75% SAT %CS %Eng %Math and Science Sum Retention Location State Acceptance Rate Student/ Teacher Ratio (2015) LAC Public Undergrad Focused
Amherst 1855 1530 5% 0% 27% 32% 96% S MA 14% 8 x x
Bowdoin 1828 1510 5% 0% 26% 31% 98% R ME 15% 9 x x
Brown 7043 1540 10% 7% 19% 36% 98% U RI 9% 11
CalTech 948 1600 24% 37% 36% 97% 98% S CA 9% 7
Carleton 2097 1520 11% 0% 33% 44% 97% R MN 23% 9 x x
Chicago 6552 1590 6% 0% 34% 40% 99% U IL 9% 11
Claremont McKenna 1324 1500 3% 0% 14% 17% 96% S CA 11% 8 x x
CMU 6947 1530 13% 25% 20% 57% 97% U PA 25% 10
Colby 2000 1430 2% 0% 22% 24% 93% R ME 28% 10 x x
Columbia 6202 1570 7% 0% 17% 24% 97% U NY 7% 15
Cornell 15182 1520 11% 17% 17% 44% 97% R NY 14% 13
Dartmouth 4417 1560 7% 8% 17% 32% 97% R NH 12% 11 x
Duke 6682 1550 12% 15% 21% 48% 98% S NC 12% 11
Emory 7086 1460 3% 0% 24% 26% 95% S GA 27% 14
Grinnell 1716 1500 8% 0% 28% 36% 93% R IA 28% 9 x x
Harvard 6788 1600 9% 4% 33% 46% 98% U MA 6% 12
Harvey Mudd 889 1560 23% 33% 28% 84% 97% S CA 14% 8 x x
Hopkins 6064 1510 5% 24% 33% 62% 97% U MD 15% 11
Macalester 2174 1450 5% 0% 24% 28% 96% U MN 41% 10 x x
Middlebury 2579 1480 5% 0% 20% 25% 96% R VT 17% 8 x x
MIT 4602 1570 31% 35% 23% 89% 99% U MA 8% 9
Northwestern 8231 1550 5% 13% 16% 34% 97% S IL 13% 12
Notre Dame 8617 1520 3% 12% 10% 25% 98% S IN 20% 10
Pitt 19330 1340 7% 14% 15% 35% 93% U PA 55% 14 x
Pomona 1679 1540 9% 0% 27% 36% 98% S CA 12% 8 x x
Princeton 5428 1600 13% 17% 17% 47% 98% S NJ 7% 9 x
Reed 1503 1470 1% 0% 28% 29% 88% S OR 35% 9 x x
Rice 3992 1550 7% 19% 16% 42% 97% U TX 15% 10
Smith 2502 ? 4% 6% 22% 32% 93% S MA 37% 10 x x
Stanford 7087 1570 18% 18% 14% 50% 99% S CA 5% 15
Swarthmore 1559 1530 13% 7% 24% 44% 97% S PA 17% 8 x x
Tufts 5643 1520 9% 10% 14% 33% 96% S MA 17% 14
UCBerkeley 30853 1490 6% 11% 19% 36% 97% U CA 16% 21 x
UCLA 31577 1440 2% 7% 24% 33% 97% U CA 19% 24 x
UPenn 10183 1540 5% 10% 15% 30% 98% U PA 11% 16
UVA 16777 1460 3% 13% 11% 27% 97% S VA 29% 17 x
Vanderbilt 6861 1570 4% 12% 15% 31% 97% U TN 13% 12
VT 31205 1320 3% 26% 12% 42% 91% R VA 71% 16 x
W&L 1829 1460 3% 1% 17% 21% 96% R VA 20% 9 x x
W&M 6377 1460 4% 0% 19% 24% 95% S VA 33% 12 x x x
WashU 7751 1550 6% 15% 20% 41% 97% U MO 17% 14
Wellesley 2534 1510 11% 0% 22% 33% 96% S MA 31% 7 x x
Williams 2073 1560 6% 0% 28% 35% 99% R MA 19% 7 x x
Yale 5964 1590 6% 6% 22% 33% 99% U CT 6% 11


So, I made this Excel file for my DC, who was of course not interested. I scoured the Common Data Sets to get percentages of students in Computer Sciences, Engineering and Math and Sciences. I thought that by maximizing these measures, one could minimize the SJW horseshit that is prevalent in some schools. Note that there are many LACs with a high percentage of STEM majors even without the availability of an engineering school.

The table may be useful for those on the various "discrimination against Asians" thread looking for smaller, high quality schools with a STEM focus. (I disagree that Asians are viewed as a URM at Midwestern LACs, but, on the other hand, they are likely not dinged for being Asian as in the Ivy League and a few East Coast LACs.) And remember, if you want your DC to be an academic, LACs are better feeder schools to grad school than is the Ivy League or big state schools. See:https://www.swarthmore.edu/institutional-research/doctorates-awarded

If I am reading this correctly, UVA has second lowest percentage of students in STEM if you take away engineering. Notre Dame is lowest. Interesting. Some LACs have very high percentages even without engineering. Carlton is 44% STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

But these numbers are the 75th percentile, most legacy are in the 1-50th percentile or bottom half of the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying that non-STEM, non-Computer Science topics are inherently Social Justice Warrior? Nice. Glad the empirical world is so comfortable for you, while the realm of real-world humanity isn't.

Anonymous wrote:

I thought that by maximizing these measures, one could minimize the SJW horseshit that is prevalent in some schools.

+1000

Also, I'm glad to see another "spreadsheet parent".

Obviously that is not what I explicitly said. Please work on reading comprehension. BTW, I have a PhD in a social science and ntot a STEM subject.

You implied it. Learn to write better.

I'm sorry you're an idiot and feel it necessary to advertise that fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

But these numbers are the 75th percentile, most legacy are in the 1-50th percentile or bottom half of the class.

The offspring of smart people with a privileged educational background, higher than average earnings, who are more likely than typical to marry smarter-than-average people and provide them with privileged educations probably have a leg up over most in more ways than one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

We have good genes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

But these numbers are the 75th percentile, most legacy are in the 1-50th percentile or bottom half of the class.

Citation needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OP is trying to get their DC into the school, yet you use data that is 5 years old? The 75th percentile for Emory and UCLA is a 1550 (co/2023) for admits, and 1520 for enrolled students(co/2022) much different than the 1460 and 1440 that is posted.

Actually OP is merely trying to present STEM percentages to DC for schools that are her academic matches and other potentially relevant schools. That the 75% SAT and acceptance data is out of date is irrelevant. The major %s don't change quickly over time and that is the real value-added in the spreadsheet. Since I created the spreadsheet, I thought it might be helpful to others on the forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

Then the media stories are essentially BS. They made it look like Harvard is full of mediocre students there just because they are legacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just sort the table based on the 75 percentile SAT scores, it pretty much gives you the picture what school student body qualities are. Some are called "elite" for a reason. Not necessarily true for an individual student, but true for the whole student body. No need for the endless argument.

CalTech 1600
Harvard 1600
Princeton 1600
Chicago 1590
Yale 1590
Columbia 1570
MIT 1570
Stanford 1570
Vanderbilt 1570
Dartmouth 1560
Harvey Mudd 1560
Williams 1560
Duke 1550
Northwestern 1550
Rice 1550
WashU 1550
Brown 1540
Pomona 1540
UPenn 1540
Amherst 1530
CMU 1530
Swarthmore 1530
Carleton 1520
Cornell 1520
Notre Dame 1520
Tufts 1520

That Harvard number is surprising given all the media stories about how many legacies they admit.

So all Harvard legacies are amazingly smart?

Yes! They out score most candidates and present better applications or should I say present applications that are attractive to Harvard!

But these numbers are the 75th percentile, most legacy are in the 1-50th percentile or bottom half of the class.

Citation needed.

Harvard publishes a lot of stats in alumni publications every year and in the Crimson. Legacies stats are near the top. Generations of educated propels preform well. Alumni know what their kids need to do and what they need to take. At graduation all my former classmate’s kids were racking up honors. The alumni kids were very competitive and graduated with honors. They also had all the support they needed to thrive at Harvard unlike kids who cane from families that did not know what to expect.

The same thing repeats in the work force. Children who go into similar fields as their parents have advantages. This is not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Please excuse typos! Yes the media is looking the ultra rich and famous (some of those kids are brilliant too). Most alumni can’t give a building or are not willing/able to give over 2 million so you need to prep your kid to be prepared. Beside SOME of the super rich legacies have to be smart and often have some other tip. A sport or a talent that is often nationally /sometimes regionally recognized. An average legacy without a ton of $ is not getting in— and it’s been that way a very long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying that non-STEM, non-Computer Science topics are inherently Social Justice Warrior? Nice. Glad the empirical world is so comfortable for you, while the realm of real-world humanity isn't.

Anonymous wrote:

I thought that by maximizing these measures, one could minimize the SJW horseshit that is prevalent in some schools.

+1000

Also, I'm glad to see another "spreadsheet parent".

Obviously that is not what I explicitly said. Please work on reading comprehension. BTW, I have a PhD in a social science and ntot a STEM subject.

You implied it. Learn to write better.

I'm sorry you're an idiot and feel it necessary to advertise that fact.

Classy.

[Anonymous]

Look, I postulated a negative correlation between the percentage of STEM majors and the prevalence of SJW horseshit. You interpreted this as saying all non-STEM majors engage in SJW horseshit. This is simply a logical fallacy. I repeat: I'm sorry you're an idiot.

[Anonymous]

NP I don’t think being a STEM major means that you are not a liberal. Maybe you should look at schools in Utah.