HS magnets and programs testing

[Anonymous]

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That would be nice, but MCPS is explicitly prohibited from using race as a factor. That is the entire reason why they have been forced to a next-best option, which is using "presence of a peer group with similar abilities."

Some argue this discriminates against Asians, but actually it discriminates against UMC children, to the extent that it is discrimination to acknowledge that UMC/rich kids benefit from a whole host of advantages that their poor/working class peers do not.

So, if you are a middle class or poor/working class Asian American student, you would benefit from this approach just as much as a Black or Latinx student living in the same neighborhood.


No MCPS 100% used race. They ran the racial demographics against the first look of who scored the highest. The areas with the highest asian concentration became the schools that were targeted. There was no coincidence that asian admits dropped so much and whites went up. Its attempting to use geography to mask racial quotas. Their new system helped lower performing UMC white kids in less asian areas.


The selection process was name- and race-blind.

The data analysis that went on before the selection committee received eligible was NOT race blind. The data analysis that went on to establish where the "cohorts" would be located was not race blind.

Look this is no different than asking your HR department for demographic data on where the AA, Hispanics, Whites and Asians work AND then making RIF decisions targeting departments with which minority you would like to get rid of today. You just establish a race blind committee to conduct sizable reductions in the department with the most minorities you do not want anymore. Since the department is primarily that minority, you'll hit your desired goal -which is EXACTLY what MCPS did.

Where are you getting this from? The determination of a cohort at the home middle school was one element of the race-blind selection process.

[Anonymous]

I can't understand why MCPS doesn't just give a big score boost to any kid on FARMS.

All the new cohort criteria did was reduce asian kids to benefit UMC white kids. You can live on the cheaper side of Kensington that feeds Einstein, you can even send your kids to private school for K-8, ace the magnet test and get an easier admit because you are from a low performing school cluster. This kid no longer has to compete with the top asian kids from the west. They skate right in. The FARMS kids in the same lower performing cluster with the same IQ and same potential but who could not afford private school, enrichment or prep don't come close to scoring as high as the UMC kids in the low performing cluster.

Unless the goal is to give a cookie and easy pass to rich white people that live in less expensive areas and crew asians, the new cohort didn't accomplish anything other than generating legal fees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will make admission really difficult for Asian kids.

Why?

They have their superior intelligence; a culture of hard work, love of learning and being law abiding; their involved and educated parents;; their prioritization of education and achievement; their intact and functional families; their community support structure and majority of them are not FARMS or ESOL

Are they going to be targeted because they are actually good, able, functional, meritorious, deserving and intelligent?

Any other adjectives you'd like to share with us, Tiger Mom?

No. Thank you. If you are not a big cat that can roar then you won't understand the rest of the adjectives. I find I have more in common with the other Big Cat moms - the Lions, Jaguars and Black Panthers! The Cougars though can only hiss and purr and yowl!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't understand why MCPS doesn't just give a big score boost to any kid on FARMS.

All the new cohort criteria did was reduce asian kids to benefit UMC white kids. You can live on the cheaper side of Kensington that feeds Einstein, you can even send your kids to private school for K-8, ace the magnet test and get an easier admit because you are from a low performing school cluster. This kid no longer has to compete with the top asian kids from the west. They skate right in. The FARMS kids in the same lower performing cluster with the same IQ and same potential but who could not afford private school, enrichment or prep don't come close to scoring as high as the UMC kids in the low performing cluster.

Unless the goal is to give a cookie and easy pass to rich white people that live in less expensive areas and crew asians, the new cohort didn't accomplish anything other than generating legal fees.

Just a reminder that there are no housing covenants keeping UMC Asians from buying in Kensington or Takoma Park, if a slight boost in magnet admissions chances is the goal. Housing stock is cheap by Potomac standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I can't understand why MCPS doesn't just give a big score boost to any kid on FARMS.

All the new cohort criteria did was reduce asian kids to benefit UMC white kids. You can live on the cheaper side of Kensington that feeds Einstein, you can even send your kids to private school for K-8, ace the magnet test and get an easier admit because you are from a low performing school cluster. This kid no longer has to compete with the top asian kids from the west. They skate right in. The FARMS kids in the same lower performing cluster with the same IQ and same potential but who could not afford private school, enrichment or prep don't come close to scoring as high as the UMC kids in the low performing cluster.

Unless the goal is to give a cookie and easy pass to rich white people that live in less expensive areas and crew asians, the new cohort didn't accomplish anything other than generating legal fees.


Just a reminder that there are no housing covenants keeping UMC Asians from buying in Kensington or Takoma Park, if a slight boost in magnet admissions chances is the goal. Housing stock is cheap by Potomac standards.

Uh huh. So the goal is to make Kensington folks benefit even more by having asians move into their neighborhood, raise the scores of the local school, and raise the property values for the whites who are benefitting from discriminating against them. I don't think asians are that stupid or want to be a pawn in your class battle with other UMC white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will make admission really difficult for Asian kids.

Serious question: why would you think that? All that is mentioned here is universal screening and the specific test that they'll be taking.

I fail to see how including more kids in the testing process could discriminate against a particular ethnic group. If they're good test takers, they'll still score well in spite of a few hundred additional kids taking the test. And if they do end up not scoring as well as some of the kids who might not have otherwise taken the test, what does that have to do with them being Asian?


If there's a real case for this, please enlighten us, because I fail to see what it could possibly be. I know the cohort thing has thrown a bit of a wrench into the process for middle school, but really, the knee-jerk reaction seems inflammatory and uncalled for here

Unless you're just a troll, in which case it's business as usual, I guess.

DP. She's afraid all that money she spent on 8 years of Dr. Li's afterschool/weekend/summer prep will be wasted if DaShawn and Juan from the wrong side of the tracks will take Vivian's and David's spots at Montgomery Blair math magnet.

+1000000
This

Ha ha! Sour grapes!

8 years of Dr. Li will never go to waste in life + these kids are not the ones handling broomsticks.

[Anonymous]

Don't laugh and be so smug. Second generation Asian Americans are getting fed up with all the discrimination against them by lazy white people who want to be first without doing the work. More asians are going into politics and law. The kids that MCPS discriminated against will not forget and many may be inspired to focus their careers on fighting white privilege.

IMO good for them. Its disgusting to me how idiots have used this community for their high scores and then turned around to block them from coveted programs so dumber white kids can get in.

[Anonymous]

Wow, you are just bat $hit nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't laugh and be so smug. Second generation Asian Americans are getting fed up with all the discrimination against them by lazy white people who want to be first without doing the work. More asians are going into politics and law. The kids that MCPS discriminated against will not forget and many may be inspired to focus their careers on fighting white privilege.

IMO good for them. Its disgusting to me how idiots have used this community for their high scores and then turned around to block them from coveted programs so dumber white kids can get in.

Great. I hope Asian lawyers and policymakers DO devote themselves to fighting white privilege. I'm sure other communities of color are ready for another group to join the fight, and to have Asian Americans stand in solidarity with the work those communities have been doing for 200 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will make admission really difficult for Asian kids.

Serious question: why would you think that? All that is mentioned here is universal screening and the specific test that they'll be taking.

I fail to see how including more kids in the testing process could discriminate against a particular ethnic group. If they're good test takers, they'll still score well in spite of a few hundred additional kids taking the test. And if they do end up not scoring as well as some of the kids who might not have otherwise taken the test, what does that have to do with them being Asian?


If there's a real case for this, please enlighten us, because I fail to see what it could possibly be. I know the cohort thing has thrown a bit of a wrench into the process for middle school, but really, the knee-jerk reaction seems inflammatory and uncalled for here

Unless you're just a troll, in which case it's business as usual, I guess.

DP. She's afraid all that money she spent on 8 years of Dr. Li's afterschool/weekend/summer prep will be wasted if DaShawn and Juan from the wrong side of the tracks will take Vivian's and David's spots at Montgomery Blair math magnet.

+1000000
This

Ha ha! Sour grapes!

8 years of Dr. Li will never go to waste in life + these kids are not the ones handling broomsticks.

No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will make admission really difficult for Asian kids.

Serious question: why would you think that? All that is mentioned here is universal screening and the specific test that they'll be taking.

I fail to see how including more kids in the testing process could discriminate against a particular ethnic group. If they're good test takers, they'll still score well in spite of a few hundred additional kids taking the test. And if they do end up not scoring as well as some of the kids who might not have otherwise taken the test, what does that have to do with them being Asian?


If there's a real case for this, please enlighten us, because I fail to see what it could possibly be. I know the cohort thing has thrown a bit of a wrench into the process for middle school, but really, the knee-jerk reaction seems inflammatory and uncalled for here

Unless you're just a troll, in which case it's business as usual, I guess.

DP. She's afraid all that money she spent on 8 years of Dr. Li's afterschool/weekend/summer prep will be wasted if DaShawn and Juan from the wrong side of the tracks will take Vivian's and David's spots at Montgomery Blair math magnet.

+1000000
This

Ha ha! Sour grapes!

8 years of Dr. Li will never go to waste in life + these kids are not the ones handling broomsticks.

No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

Ummm....I think you missed the broomstick reference. Had to do with the DHS rapes.

[Anonymous]

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No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

Sorry, but the Asian-Americans are the only group that is upwardly mobile through their merit and hard work. Their hands hold neither the whip nor the begging bowl. They are also away from the batshit drama of the White, Black and Hispanic crowd. Being one of the first groups that was exploited in the railroad industry and then interned in WW2, they are used to other races being jealous of their progress and coveting and looting the wealth that they create.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will make admission really difficult for Asian kids.

Serious question: why would you think that? All that is mentioned here is universal screening and the specific test that they'll be taking.

I fail to see how including more kids in the testing process could discriminate against a particular ethnic group. If they're good test takers, they'll still score well in spite of a few hundred additional kids taking the test. And if they do end up not scoring as well as some of the kids who might not have otherwise taken the test, what does that have to do with them being Asian?


If there's a real case for this, please enlighten us, because I fail to see what it could possibly be. I know the cohort thing has thrown a bit of a wrench into the process for middle school, but really, the knee-jerk reaction seems inflammatory and uncalled for here

Unless you're just a troll, in which case it's business as usual, I guess.

DP. She's afraid all that money she spent on 8 years of Dr. Li's afterschool/weekend/summer prep will be wasted if DaShawn and Juan from the wrong side of the tracks will take Vivian's and David's spots at Montgomery Blair math magnet.

+1000000
This

Ha ha! Sour grapes!

8 years of Dr. Li will never go to waste in life + these kids are not the ones handling broomsticks.

No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

Ummm....I think you missed the broomstick reference. Had to do with the DHS rapes.

Think again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

Sorry, but the Asian-Americans are the only group that is upwardly mobile through their merit and hard work. Their hands hold neither the whip nor the begging bowl. They are also away from the batshit drama of the White, Black and Hispanic crowd. Being one of the first groups that was exploited in the railroad industry and then interned in WW2, they are used to other races being jealous of their progress and coveting and looting the wealth that they create.

Made possible by the hardwork of others.
You need a history lesson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, they are leeches feeding of the hardwork of others

Sorry, but the Asian-Americans are the only group that is upwardly mobile through their merit and hard work. Their hands hold neither the whip nor the begging bowl. They are also away from the batshit drama of the White, Black and Hispanic crowd. Being one of the first groups that was exploited in the railroad industry and then interned in WW2, they are used to other races being jealous of their progress and coveting and looting the wealth that they create.

A) The word "Asian" is doing a lot of work in this paragraph, and your argument would be stronger if you took the time to break out the different ways in which various "Asian" groups have been both persecuted/abused AND allowed to advance in a way that Black/Latinx folks were not.

B) There is a lot to unpack here, but I want to drill down on the "batshit drama of the ....Black crowd" here because others reading this post might not be aware of the role that the broader Civil Rights movement played in securing the vote, and linguistic access to the ballot, for Asian Americans. Quick - name one Asian American civil rights leader who worked in solidarity with Black Americans to pass the VRA. That's right - Asian Americans were largely missing from the struggle, but still reaped the benefits.

C) Ditto the farm workers rights movement. Asian immigrants benefited, but the organizing, the struggle, the beatings, and the repression broadly fell on the Latinx organizers.

So step back with your stereotypes about how Asians got ahead by hard work.