Alexandria Bike Lobby wins again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look around you. The "car lobby" has literally designed almost ALL transit infrastructure for cars. I think you can spare a few feet for bike lanes.

Start getting all the people who live outside of Alexandria (Fairfax, PWC, Maryland, etc) to start biking through Alexandria instead of driving through it as part of their commute and then let’s talk. I believe the reported percentage is around 40% of drivers during any one rush hour are Not living or working in Alexandria, they’re just passing through for their commute. And zipping around side streets now that we have Waze and other traffic apps. And rush hour in this region is much longer than other areas due federal work schedules. So are these long commuters just going to bike? Doubt it.

People won't bike unless it is safe. With this lane, you will see an uptick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If cyclists would simply do THREE things, I would happily cede them a dedicated lane everywhere:

1) stop at red lights and wait until green to proceed, just like cars do.

2) stop at stop signs.

3) don’t shoal through traffic (that’s where traffic is temporarily caught behind a slow biker, gets an opportunity to pass the biker, does so, and then at the next red light, the biker weaves through the line of stopped cars to the front of the line, and runs the red light, forcing everyone formerly trapped behind them to be trapped yet again, over and over. This has the effect of slowing ALL traffic on the road down to the speed of the biker.)

If they’d quit doing those three things, people would stop hating them.

Honk at them. Every time. Scares the crap out of them but gets their attention.

Honking like at is illegal. So you are advocating for people to do illegal things.

Brilliant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look around you. The "car lobby" has literally designed almost ALL transit infrastructure for cars. I think you can spare a few feet for bike lanes.

Start getting all the people who live outside of Alexandria (Fairfax, PWC, Maryland, etc) to start biking through Alexandria instead of driving through it as part of their commute and then let’s talk. I believe the reported percentage is around 40% of drivers during any one rush hour are Not living or working in Alexandria, they’re just passing through for their commute. And zipping around side streets now that we have Waze and other traffic apps. And rush hour in this region is much longer than other areas due federal work schedules. So are these long commuters just going to bike? Doubt it.

Some people do bike through the City mostly from closer parts of Fairfax.

They can also use transit - the City is going to put a BRT line called the West End Transitway on Beauregard.

And the HOT lanes are designed to absorb some of that traffic.

Rush hour may be longer, but the actual time when Seminary is congested remains relatively short.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The City Council voted 4-3, even over the advice of their own Transportation Board and the objections of many residents, to administer the road diet on Seminary and take away two lanes of traffic for the bike lobby. Justin Wilson is oddly quiet on the matter online. I am so done with the city caving to the Bike Lobby giving them whatever they want.

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The safety of people traveling by bicycle outweighs the convenience of people traveling by car. And when you're traveling by car and you're stuck in traffic, it's not because of people traveling by bicycle - it's because of all of the other people traveling by car.

Also, although you can buy T-shirts that say "Bicycle Lobby," there isn't actually a bicycle lobby.

https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The City Council voted 4-3, even over the advice of their own Transportation Board and the objections of many residents, to administer the road diet on Seminary and take away two lanes of traffic for the bike lobby. Justin Wilson is oddly quiet on the matter online. I am so done with the city caving to the Bike Lobby giving them whatever they want.

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The safety of people traveling by bicycle outweighs the convenience of people traveling by car. And when you're traveling by car and you're stuck in traffic, it's not because of people traveling by bicycle - it's because of all of the other people traveling by car.

Also, although you can buy T-shirts that say "Bicycle Lobby," there isn't actually a bicycle lobby.

https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

Actually this will improve convenience for some drivers - notably those who live ON that part of Seminary Road, and those acccessing it from non signalized intersections, who will be able to turn on to the road more easily. Plus it will improve safety for other drivers, and also for walkers.

And the account that prints the t shirts is essentially a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The City Council voted 4-3, even over the advice of their own Transportation Board and the objections of many residents, to administer the road diet on Seminary and take away two lanes of traffic for the bike lobby. Justin Wilson is oddly quiet on the matter online. I am so done with the city caving to the Bike Lobby giving them whatever they want.

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The safety of people traveling by bicycle outweighs the convenience of people traveling by car. And when you're traveling by car and you're stuck in traffic, it's not because of people traveling by bicycle - it's because of all of the other people traveling by car.

Also, although you can buy T-shirts that say "Bicycle Lobby," there isn't actually a bicycle lobby.

https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

Actually this will improve convenience for some drivers - notably those who live ON that part of Seminary Road, and those acccessing it from non signalized intersections, who will be able to turn on to the road more easily. Plus it will improve safety for other drivers, and also for walkers.

And the account that prints the t shirts is essentially a joke.

It isn't essentially a joke - it is ACTUALLY a joke. But the T-shirts are real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The City Council voted 4-3, even over the advice of their own Transportation Board and the objections of many residents, to administer the road diet on Seminary and take away two lanes of traffic for the bike lobby. Justin Wilson is oddly quiet on the matter online. I am so done with the city caving to the Bike Lobby giving them whatever they want.

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The safety of people traveling by bicycle outweighs the convenience of people traveling by car. And when you're traveling by car and you're stuck in traffic, it's not because of people traveling by bicycle - it's because of all of the other people traveling by car.

Also, although you can buy T-shirts that say "Bicycle Lobby," there isn't actually a bicycle lobby.

https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

Actually this will improve convenience for some drivers - notably those who live ON that part of Seminary Road, and those acccessing it from non signalized intersections, who will be able to turn on to the road more easily. Plus it will improve safety for other drivers, and also for walkers.

And the account that prints the t shirts is essentially a joke.

It isn't essentially a joke - it is ACTUALLY a joke. But the T-shirts are real.

Occasionally some of their tweets are actually seriously on point, but yeah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look around you. The "car lobby" has literally designed almost ALL transit infrastructure for cars. I think you can spare a few feet for bike lanes.

Start getting all the people who live outside of Alexandria (Fairfax, PWC, Maryland, etc) to start biking through Alexandria instead of driving through it as part of their commute and then let’s talk. I believe the reported percentage is around 40% of drivers during any one rush hour are Not living or working in Alexandria, they’re just passing through for their commute. And zipping around side streets now that we have Waze and other traffic apps. And rush hour in this region is much longer than other areas due federal work schedules. So are these long commuters just going to bike? Doubt it.

People won't bike unless it is safe. With this lane, you will see an uptick.

You will see an uptick with people biking from Fairfax, PWC and Maryland with this bike lane? Like the uptick in bikes going up King? What are you smoking? Thanks for the laugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look around you. The "car lobby" has literally designed almost ALL transit infrastructure for cars. I think you can spare a few feet for bike lanes.

Start getting all the people who live outside of Alexandria (Fairfax, PWC, Maryland, etc) to start biking through Alexandria instead of driving through it as part of their commute and then let’s talk. I believe the reported percentage is around 40% of drivers during any one rush hour are Not living or working in Alexandria, they’re just passing through for their commute. And zipping around side streets now that we have Waze and other traffic apps. And rush hour in this region is much longer than other areas due federal work schedules. So are these long commuters just going to bike? Doubt it.

People won't bike unless it is safe. With this lane, you will see an uptick.

You will see an uptick with people biking from Fairfax, PWC and Maryland with this bike lane? Like the uptick in bikes going up King? What are you smoking? Thanks for the laugh.

You will see an uptick in Alexandrians biking, plus a few from Fairfax (I know someone who bikes from Fairfax to Seminary NOW)

I often bike on King, but I am a confident enough rider to deal with the gap at Janneys, the gap by the Masonic memorial, and the gaps to get to the north end of the bike lane. That is why building a complete network is important. Meanwhile King Street is safer, and more pleasant to walk on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If cyclists would simply do THREE things, I would happily cede them a dedicated lane everywhere:

1) stop at red lights and wait until green to proceed, just like cars do.

2) stop at stop signs.

3) don’t shoal through traffic (that’s where traffic is temporarily caught behind a slow biker, gets an opportunity to pass the biker, does so, and then at the next red light, the biker weaves through the line of stopped cars to the front of the line, and runs the red light, forcing everyone formerly trapped behind them to be trapped yet again, over and over. This has the effect of slowing ALL traffic on the road down to the speed of the biker.)

If they’d quit doing those three things, people would stop hating them.

Honk at them. Every time. Scares the crap out of them but gets their attention.

Honking like at is illegal. So you are advocating for people to do illegal things.

Brilliant.

Nope. It is 100% legal to honk at someone as a reasonable warning. Running a stop sign and endangering other will 100% qualify as a reasonable warning.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter10/section46.2-1060/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If cyclists would simply do THREE things, I would happily cede them a dedicated lane everywhere:

1) stop at red lights and wait until green to proceed, just like cars do.

2) stop at stop signs.

3) don’t shoal through traffic (that’s where traffic is temporarily caught behind a slow biker, gets an opportunity to pass the biker, does so, and then at the next red light, the biker weaves through the line of stopped cars to the front of the line, and runs the red light, forcing everyone formerly trapped behind them to be trapped yet again, over and over. This has the effect of slowing ALL traffic on the road down to the speed of the biker.)

If they’d quit doing those three things, people would stop hating them.

Honk at them. Every time. Scares the crap out of them but gets their attention.

Honking like at is illegal. So you are advocating for people to do illegal things.

Brilliant.

Nope. It is 100% legal to honk at someone as a reasonable warning. Running a stop sign and endangering other will 100% qualify as a reasonable warning.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter10/section46.2-1060/

No. Because (1) don't be a jerk and (2) doing things to scare the crap out of people is not a reasonable warning.

It shall further be unlawful for any person at any time to use a horn otherwise than as a reasonable warning or to make any unnecessary or unreasonably loud or harsh sound by means of a horn or other warning device.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If cyclists would simply do THREE things, I would happily cede them a dedicated lane everywhere:

1) stop at red lights and wait until green to proceed, just like cars do.

2) stop at stop signs.

3) don’t shoal through traffic (that’s where traffic is temporarily caught behind a slow biker, gets an opportunity to pass the biker, does so, and then at the next red light, the biker weaves through the line of stopped cars to the front of the line, and runs the red light, forcing everyone formerly trapped behind them to be trapped yet again, over and over. This has the effect of slowing ALL traffic on the road down to the speed of the biker.)

If they’d quit doing those three things, people would stop hating them.

Drivers don't actually *stop* at stop signs.

Also,

1. shoaling is actually when you're on a bike and pull up in front of other people on a bike at a stop light.
2. shoaling is NOT when you're riding along, and then you get to a line of drivers in cars waiting at a stop light, and you ride along the side of the line to the stop bar to wait for a green light - which is totally legal.
3. drivers probably don't want drivers stuck permanently behind a person on a bicycle, which is what happens when a person on a bicycle stays in line at the red light with the drivers in cars

And finally, if people don't get dedicated lanes until they all behave perfectly in traffic, does that mean that we can get rid of all of the lanes primarily intended for drivers of motor vehicles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If cyclists would simply do THREE things, I would happily cede them a dedicated lane everywhere:

1) stop at red lights and wait until green to proceed, just like cars do.

2) stop at stop signs.

3) don’t shoal through traffic (that’s where traffic is temporarily caught behind a slow biker, gets an opportunity to pass the biker, does so, and then at the next red light, the biker weaves through the line of stopped cars to the front of the line, and runs the red light, forcing everyone formerly trapped behind them to be trapped yet again, over and over. This has the effect of slowing ALL traffic on the road down to the speed of the biker.)

If they’d quit doing those three things, people would stop hating them.

Honk at them. Every time. Scares the crap out of them but gets their attention.

Honking like at is illegal. So you are advocating for people to do illegal things.

Brilliant.

Nope. It is 100% legal to honk at someone as a reasonable warning. Running a stop sign and endangering other will 100% qualify as a reasonable warning.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter10/section46.2-1060/

No. Because (1) don't be a jerk and (2) doing things to scare the crap out of people is not a reasonable warning.

It shall further be unlawful for any person at any time to use a horn otherwise than as a reasonable warning or to make any unnecessary or unreasonably loud or harsh sound by means of a horn or other warning device.

You are still incorrect. It is 100% legal to honk at someone blowing through a stop. It is a reasonable action to honk to warn them and others of their dangerous act. You can pretend otherwise and worry about the poor feelings of the sacred biker. That still will not make it illegal to honk at someone running a stop sign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The City Council voted 4-3, even over the advice of their own Transportation Board and the objections of many residents, to administer the road diet on Seminary and take away two lanes of traffic for the bike lobby. Justin Wilson is oddly quiet on the matter online. I am so done with the city caving to the Bike Lobby giving them whatever they want.

HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The safety of people traveling by bicycle outweighs the convenience of people traveling by car. And when you're traveling by car and you're stuck in traffic, it's not because of people traveling by bicycle - it's because of all of the other people traveling by car.

Also, although you can buy T-shirts that say "Bicycle Lobby," there isn't actually a bicycle lobby.

https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

Actually this will improve convenience for some drivers - notably those who live ON that part of Seminary Road, and those acccessing it from non signalized intersections, who will be able to turn on to the road more easily. Plus it will improve safety for other drivers, and also for walkers.

And the account that prints the t shirts is essentially a joke.

It isn't essentially a joke - it is ACTUALLY a joke. But the T-shirts are real.

so it this t shirt

https://mobile.twitter.com/WABADC/status/1173637518383878150/photo/1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

so it this t shirt

https://mobile.twitter.com/WABADC/status/1173637518383878150/photo/1

No it's this one: https://cottonbureau.com/products/the-all-powerful-bicycle-lobby#/1933563/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s

It says "Let us ban cars" in Latin, kind of.