Janney murder/suicide committed with a handgun in DC: Thanks, Scalia

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

+1 And that you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

+100 Ask any 10 year old why a gun is more deadly than a knife. They can tell you. Just ask them to speak slowly so you can understand (and try not to accuse them of having committed homicide because they understand more than you do.)

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

+100000 people saying otherwise are being disingenuous. It’s an indisputable fact that access to guns means stuff like this happens far more frequently. If you don’t agree with that fact, then you have to believe that Americans are inherently more violent than people in all other countries. That’s the only damn factor.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

+1 And that you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

+100 Ask any 10 year old why a gun is more deadly than a knife. They can tell you. Just ask them to speak slowly so you can understand (and try not to accuse them of having committed homicide because they understand more than you do.)

+1 See the Japan knife attack. A terrible tragedy to be sure, but "only 2" dead compared to 26 kids and teachers at Sandy Hook. If only mass killings were rare in the United State.s

A man stabbed at least 20 people, including 18 schoolchildren waiting at a bus stop, before fatally stabbing himself Tuesday morning, according to the school the children attended. One of the schoolchildren and a 39-year-old man died in the attack, in a suburb southwest of Tokyo. Violent crimes, particularly mass killings, are rare in Japan.

[Anonymous]

To people saying mental health should be a priority because people can kill each other without guns, YOU ARE OFF BY AN ENORMOUS DEGREE OF MAGNITUDE.

The USA is the only wealthy, democratic, nation to have such a heinous number of gun-related deaths. The murder rate is much, much lower in countries with restrictive gun laws. THIS IS A WELL-SUPPORTED FACT.

Anyone who yes-buts or supports gun ownership is complicit in the mass murder of fellow Americans. Period. End of story.

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To people saying mental health should be a priority because people can kill each other without guns, YOU ARE OFF BY AN ENORMOUS DEGREE OF MAGNITUDE.

The USA is the only wealthy, democratic, nation to have such a heinous number of gun-related deaths. The murder rate is much, much lower in countries with restrictive gun laws. THIS IS A WELL-SUPPORTED FACT.

Anyone who yes-buts or supports gun ownership is complicit in the mass murder of fellow Americans. Period. End of story.

That is true. And
John Roberts, Sam Alito, Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, and Antonin Scalia are especially complicit in this particular crime.

Their decision in Heller contributed DIRECTLY to this death. Laws matter. Decisions matter.

How do those conservative judges sleep at night?

[Anonymous]

We are on pace for well over 100 homicides in DC this year, the overwhelming majority by firearms. What happened to this woman was a tragedy, and so was every other murder in the city. Why don’t you all care about the others ones?

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Anonymous wrote:We are on pace for well over 100 homicides in DC this year, the overwhelming majority by firearms. What happened to this woman was a tragedy, and so was every other murder in the city. Why don’t you all care about the others ones?

Duh! The victims are not white middle class people living in desirable school,districts.

[Anonymous]

Looks like the nitwit gun control/Scalia poster strikes again!

Did you enjoy DC more when the homicide rate was through the roof? You know, before the Heller decision.

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Anonymous wrote:This man was mentally ill. Everyone in his life either failed to recognize it or the help he was getting wasn't effective. There is far more to this story. Guns are just a very small part of it. If he didn't get a gun legally, he could have got one other means as he had the money/means to do it or do it another way. Instead of focusing on that, focus on the real issues and the most important part - those poor kids losing both their parents.

No.

This was an in the moment crime of passion.

She would have a chance of fleeing from a knife or other weapons.

The gun greatly reduced her odds of getting away.

[Anonymous]

It’s still illegal to murder someone, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the nitwit gun control/Scalia poster strikes again!

Did you enjoy DC more when the homicide rate was through the roof? You know, before the Heller decision.

First sentence above: zero content.
That’s what happens when you know your “movement” has been bought by conservative donors who don’t mind getting moms killed as long as the donors get tax cuts.

Second sentence above: demonstrates a total lack of logic. Are you really this bad at understand the causes that influence our society? You seem incapable of drawing a distinction between a factor that is the entire cause of something (so rare as to be nearly nonexistent in the real world) and things that are contributing causes.

As for gun control: not sure of above, but yes, I am certainly in favor of not having moms and kids killed by handguns. Yes, I am in favor of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are on pace for well over 100 homicides in DC this year, the overwhelming majority by firearms. What happened to this woman was a tragedy, and so was every other murder in the city. Why don’t you all care about the others ones?

Oh, we certainly do care about those. And Scalia and Roberts are in part responsible for those 100 deaths too.

Republican judges are getting lots of people killed in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

But he would not have. Killing without a gun is not as easy or as quick. Better health care and mental health care is no panacea for the culture of violence. The culture the nra and gun nuts perpetuate is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the <juvenile name replaced> gun control/Scalia poster strikes again!

Would you rather people say that blood was on John Roberts' hands? Because that's true, too.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

But he would not have. Killing without a gun is not as easy or as quick. Better health care and mental health care is no panacea for the culture of violence. The culture the nra and gun nuts perpetuate is the problem.

Hahaha. The gun nuts aren't the ones slaughtering people. Ever watch the local news? Can you figure out which demographic has turned parts of DC into a shooting gallery?