Janney murder/suicide committed with a handgun in DC: Thanks, Scalia

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC homicide is lower now than most years in the 80s-90s when the handgun ban was in effect. I would say you have a point about the law if the homicide rate went up after the Supreme Court ruled. But it hasn't. What the PP said about mental health is very important. Sadly this was how it was going to end for this woman gun law or not.

Have you heard about analysis that involves controlling for other factors? Factors other than the handgun ban are influencing the homicide race (changes in demographics, level of income etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC homicide is lower now than most years in the 80s-90s when the handgun ban was in effect. I would say you have a point about the law if the homicide rate went up after the Supreme Court ruled. But it hasn't. What the PP said about mental health is very important. Sadly this was how it was going to end for this woman gun law or not.

Have you heard about analysis that involves controlling for other factors? Factors other than the handgun ban are influencing the homicide race (changes in demographics, level of income etc.).

A total distraction of an argument.

“Some kids are fast learners and some are slow. So who cares if some get lead poisoned?! Factors other than lead poisoning are influencing the mental disability rate- demographics, level of income, etc”.


Point is: guns kill people. If there were fewer guns this mom would be more likely to be alive today.

Other factors contribute too. That doesn’t change the fact that Republican Supreme Court justices made this horrible crime more likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

This is a rightwing talking point that is so false I feel sorry for anyone who believes it.

If flamethrowers were legal mentally ill people would kill people with flamethrowers.
If grenades were legal mentally ill people would kill people with grenades.
If nerve gas were legal mentally ill people would kill people will nerve gas.

The solution is, as we recognize for most weapons, to ban flamethrowers, grenades, and nerve gas. Not flood the nation with them while conservative-media rubes whine about mental illness. (Mental illness treatment is a major problem. We should still do gun control.)

Handguns need to be banned in this country too. Just like we ban nerve gas and other weapons designed to kill people easily. Just like every other civilized country - from Canada to the UK to Australia - does. (Yes I know you can get a handgun license in Canada. But you have to transport it unloaded in a lockbox with a special permit. For all intents and purposes handguns are banned in Canada except at firing ranges.)

[Anonymous]

More blood on Republican hands

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More blood on Republican hands

I don’t know if I’d go that far.

But politics has consequences.

Politics isn’t some abstract bullsh*t game.
Politics is people’s lives.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

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[Anonymous]

This man was mentally ill. Everyone in his life either failed to recognize it or the help he was getting wasn't effective. There is far more to this story. Guns are just a very small part of it. If he didn't get a gun legally, he could have got one other means as he had the money/means to do it or do it another way. Instead of focusing on that, focus on the real issues and the most important part - those poor kids losing both their parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

This is a rightwing talking point that is so false I feel sorry for anyone who believes it.

If flamethrowers were legal mentally ill people would kill people with flamethrowers.
If grenades were legal mentally ill people would kill people with grenades.
If nerve gas were legal mentally ill people would kill people will nerve gas.

The solution is, as we recognize for most weapons, to ban flamethrowers, grenades, and nerve gas. Not flood the nation with them while conservative-media rubes whine about mental illness. (Mental illness treatment is a major problem. We should still do gun control.)

Handguns need to be banned in this country too. Just like we ban nerve gas and other weapons designed to kill people easily. Just like every other civilized country - from Canada to the UK to Australia - does. (Yes I know you can get a handgun license in Canada. But you have to transport it unloaded in a lockbox with a special permit. For all intents and purposes handguns are banned in Canada except at firing ranges.)

Actually, both flamethrowers and grenades are lawful to own, subject to certain regulations. And you may not be aware that certain firearms (short barreled rifles, for example) are historically less heavily regulated in Canada than the US. By your logic, there should be no handgun crime at all in Canada. That obviously is not the case.

And banning firearms, or even handguns, which would take the effective means of self defense away from the weak and vulnerable, is s fantasy. The ban on liquor did not work. The ban on marijuana did not work. Bans on hallucinogens, narcotics, stimulants and depressants do not work. Bans on various forms of pornography do not work. Bans on prostitution, human trafficking, murder, rape, theft, arson and other criminality do not work to eradicate the same.

Penal legislation and regulations can sometimes limit the volume of some crime. But crime is a human behavior, not the function of inanimate objects.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

+1 And that you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

How?

Do you or the PP know anything about stab wounds, slash wounds, or death from exsanguination? The bald assertion that all firearms are always more deadly than all blades weapons under all circumstances is unsupportable. Murders by blade have existed before recorded time.

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Anonymous wrote:If he did not legally have a hand gun, he easily could have gotten one or used another method. You are focusing on the wrong thing. We need better mental health, substance abuse treatment. And not for this family but we need better access to things like affordable health care, QUALITY health care, housing, food and jobs.

we need all of that, but it's also well-proven that access to guns makes murder and suicide more effective and frequent.

I don't disagree with more restrictions but saying that is the primary cause is not. This was a contentious divorce, probably lawyers made it worse as well a the court system and depending on if there was a DV or mental health background, he was probably looking at getting his kids every other weekend/maybe a night a week and basically losing his kids and his entire life as the courts are set up to benefit women depending on the state and judge. We don't know anything but simply put, this isn't a gun issue and its a society issue. Mental health treatment and many other things would have greatly helped.

No, this is very much an asshole-with-a-gun issue. No gun, no impulsive murder-suicide.

There are plenty of ways to do the same thing without a gun. Or, you just get it illegally. This is a people issue.

Yet guns are far more lethal than say, a knife. A crazy guy went after a pack of kids in Japan a few weeks back and killed 1 kid. If you added a gun to that equation (guns are rare in Japan), a classroom full of kids would have been dead. It takes much longer/more physical power to knife someone to death.

And you say this from personal experience in committing homicide?

You just proved that you can't be reasoned with. -NP

How?

Do you or the PP know anything about stab wounds, slash wounds, or death from exsanguination? The bald assertion that all firearms are always more deadly than all blades weapons under all circumstances is unsupportable. Murders by blade have existed before recorded time.

Again, you're showing that you lack basic reading comprehension skills. No one is arguing that murders by blade can cause death (see the PP's Japan example), or that use of a firearm is always more deadly than a blade. But if you don't get how a firearm can mow down a boatload of kindergarteners quicker than a knife, you should educate yourself on basic weaponry and start reading the news.