NCAP v RMSC v Machine

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

This totally describes the RMSC coaches at the KSAC... too funny.
Maybe they used to swim, but that was 5000 hoagies ago.

Meaning the MAC pool - which is really what now? Eunice Kennedy Shriver ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

[Anonymous]

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

High School Team is reachable and he needs a goal that can energize him to do practices 5 times/week. The process itself is to train kids to be disciplined. Later in adult life, whatever he does, blue or white collar jobs, he will be doing fine. That is my definition of success.

[Anonymous]

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Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

High School Team is reachable and he needs a goal that can energize him to do practices 5 times/week. The process itself is to train kids to be disciplined. Later in adult life, whatever he does, blue or white collar jobs, he will be doing fine. That is my definition of success.

5 times a week with a sole goal to get into a high school team seems to be a serious time commitment that is not justified by the goal. Swimming 5-6 times a week your child can get far more from his workouts. You know, many year round swimmers don’t even participate in high school teams as it’s largely recreational

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

High School Team is reachable and he needs a goal that can energize him to do practices 5 times/week. The process itself is to train kids to be disciplined. Later in adult life, whatever he does, blue or white collar jobs, he will be doing fine. That is my definition of success.

5 times a week with a sole goal to get into a high school team seems to be a serious time commitment that is not justified by the goal. Swimming 5-6 times a week your child can get far more from his workouts. You know, many year round swimmers don’t even participate in high school teams as it’s largely recreational

In our area, high school swimming teams are very competitive. Take a look at https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5c6056c36e9a7f58150137cb/1549817539525/2019+Metros+Boys+Results.pdf Of course not all high school team swimmers can make the cut to compete.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

High School Team is reachable and he needs a goal that can energize him to do practices 5 times/week. The process itself is to train kids to be disciplined. Later in adult life, whatever he does, blue or white collar jobs, he will be doing fine. That is my definition of success.

5 times a week with a sole goal to get into a high school team seems to be a serious time commitment that is not justified by the goal. Swimming 5-6 times a week your child can get far more from his workouts. You know, many year round swimmers don’t even participate in high school teams as it’s largely recreational

In our area, high school swimming teams are very competitive. Take a look at https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5c6056c36e9a7f58150137cb/1549817539525/2019+Metros+Boys+Results.pdf Of course not all high school team swimmers can make the cut to compete.

You sent the Metros results where nearly all top 40 swimmers are top NTG/NDGs from top 5 area clubs. It only proves what I said, that it is nearly impossible to make to tops there if you are swimming in a senior group. Getting into high school team and competing at Metros are two different things. Those competing at Metros have Eastern Zone as main venue of competition year round, they are not senior RMSC groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

High School Team is reachable and he needs a goal that can energize him to do practices 5 times/week. The process itself is to train kids to be disciplined. Later in adult life, whatever he does, blue or white collar jobs, he will be doing fine. That is my definition of success.

5 times a week with a sole goal to get into a high school team seems to be a serious time commitment that is not justified by the goal. Swimming 5-6 times a week your child can get far more from his workouts. You know, many year round swimmers don’t even participate in high school teams as it’s largely recreational

In our area, high school swimming teams are very competitive. Take a look at https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5c6056c36e9a7f58150137cb/1549817539525/2019+Metros+Boys+Results.pdfOf course not all high school team swimmers can make the cut to compete.

You sent the Metros results where nearly all top 40 swimmers are top NTG/NDGs from top 5 area clubs. It only proves what I said, that it is nearly impossible to make to tops there if you are swimming in a senior group. Getting into high school team and competing at Metros are two different things. Those competing at Metros have Eastern Zone as main venue of competition year round, they are not senior RMSC groups.

Now your contradict yourself "high school team largely recreational". I am not saying my kid will make the Metros cut, all I said the goal to make a high school team. I know some RMSC Seniors did make into high school team like Churchill, and in fact, some even compete at Metros (like 50 free)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Why does your kid need to swim through high school, if there are no specific time goals or purpose? Doesn't he/she need more time for academics in high school? You know, teens can also swim non-competitively with US Masters, and it is way cheaper on drop-in basis.
Children are so overtasked by the parents signing them up for everything, even when there is no clear perspective in mind. Children have no time to focus on anything seriously, and time is the most valuable thing in life!
Then, in the end of the high school you see an outcome: a student who "studied everything a little bit": played some piano, learned some math, swam at a local seniors group, etc. So called "well rounded person", but this is not what paves way to success in this country. Unless you are already independently wealthy and your kids are born "trust babies", only top performance is in demand.

The discussion is about winter swim team so not sure what the point of your comments are. Most kids starting at the mini's swim 3-4 days a week and then it easily increases to 5-6. Some kids actually enjoy it. Many of our kids also do music and other activities. Its not just about swim. You sound like you don't want to do it for your needs, not your child or you'd find a way to make it work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

It doesn't bother my child so we stay because of cost. I'd rather do swim camps and private lessons but we have considered leaving. NCAP is the recommended on to go to but they are significantly more money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

It doesn't bother my child so we stay because of cost. I'd rather do swim camps and private lessons but we have considered leaving. NCAP is the recommended on to go to but they are significantly more money.

Try first making it into NCAP or a fast group at another good club from RMSC juniors....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

It doesn't bother my child so we stay because of cost. I'd rather do swim camps and private lessons but we have considered leaving. NCAP is the recommended on to go to but they are significantly more money.

Try first making it into NCAP or a fast group at another good club from RMSC juniors....

Is NCAP really that much better? Which one are you doing? We considered them but my child likes the kids at RMSC and we are paying for private lessons. I don't ever expect them to be a superstar. What is the difference between them beyond smaller groups and cost (twice as much in later years).

[Anonymous]

NCAP is a business and it’s in the business to make money. Over the years has absorbed smaller clubs and now its program has been watered down.

As with any program, all swimming programs are coach dependent. There are great coaches, and those that need to find a new hobby-job. Best advice-shop,around and change clubs if needed. You will see coaches that have a following. If the coach moves clubs, several swimmers will follow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

It doesn't bother my child so we stay because of cost. I'd rather do swim camps and private lessons but we have considered leaving. NCAP is the recommended on to go to but they are significantly more money.

Try first making it into NCAP or a fast group at another good club from RMSC juniors....

Is NCAP really that much better? Which one are you doing? We considered them but my child likes the kids at RMSC and we are paying for private lessons. I don't ever expect them to be a superstar. What is the difference between them beyond smaller groups and cost (twice as much in later years).

We like ncap because our coach actually gets to know the kids' goals and helps them work to acheive them. We had a good rmsc swimmer (usually in the top quarter for race results) but now that our DD has been with NCAP for about 7 months, her times have massively improved. With rmsc, our DD was always stressed out about the coach's snide comments. That's a non-issue at ncap, because the coach is very serious but is genuinely focused on producing fast, powerful swimmers. There is a world of difference just in the practices-- while rmsc seemed loud and somewhat chaotic, ncap practices are quiet, disciplined, and methodical. Also, it comes with free yoga lessons on top of the swim lessons, at our site at least. And, the coach is sooo much more accessible, and if you need to tell her something, you can. At rmsc, I wouldn't have bothered telling the coaches something like, hey, she is going on vacation and will ve absent the week- I don't think they would have even noticed and probably would have wondered why I was telling them.

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Anonymous wrote:RMSC coaches remind more of security guards in a prison than mentors. Few have competitive swimming experience themselves.

Not sure which site of RSMC you were talking about. We have been KSAC exactly three years and certainly know most coaches there.


Coach Jamie Grimes swam at a college team and he also qualified for Olympic Trials in the 1500m freestyle in 2000 and 2004.
Coach Kent Williams swam at a college team
Coach Michal Morris swam at a college team
Coach Kevin Mejia swam at a college team

My kid joined KSAC three years ago this time as a novice swimmer (had never been any summer team). He went to Juniors and Advanced Juniors and now aged up to Senior Training Group. Moving up decisions are not only based on meet results even though they are important part. Coaches also look at the attendance, practices performance as well.

It is extremely hard to move up into elite groups like NDG/NTG, but other groups are good enough for most swimmers, certainly for mine. Most swimmers won't even make to college teams anyway. If my kid can swim for high school team, I will be very happy!

I'm curious if you are a parent that just drops the kids off or stays. If you observe some of the sessions, there is very little coaching and kids just do laps. They spend half the time goofing off and waiting for directions. The only way for kids to progress is with private instruction.

If you've done swim clinics or camps, you will see a huge difference in the coaching.

The lower level kids basically get ignored and there is no support on technique or strokes. They are very focused on the top kids and the rest of the kids are just money makers. The lanes are overcrowded.

And, just because you swam college level does not mean you know how to coach. There is more to standing at the side of the pool barking orders the kids don't hear as they are too busy bobbing up and down.

I stay all the time. I often see coach Kelley corrects kids (Minis) I also often see Coach Connie (who is "notoriously" known being tough/strict on kids) does that too. Coaching on techs and skills are often done through drills. Through drills, and swimming laps coaches can see kids problems and correct them.

Yes, good swimmers are not necessary good coaches, but often good swimmers can become good coaches I mentioned these coaches were college swimmers because some poster said some RMSC coaches themselves were not good swimmers.

Of course, good (often pricey) private lesson can help a lot more because it is one to one. I know some parents do give their swimmers private lessons but I don't. My goal is to keep my kid to swim through high school, and as long as he is happy to go to practice (yes, he is willing to do the early morning practice at 4:45AM !)

Wait till later years beyond Mini's. Things change. Many of us supplement with private lessons for the stroke as its the only way to progress. If your child is naturally talented they may not need it but otherwise, some of ours do.

None of the coaches are great coaches given we have had great coaches in other settings/camps/clinics.

This kids can barely hear the coaches so how much correction do you think they are getting given the set up of the pool and a coach screaming at them on deck.

[phone]. Rmsc minis is great, but after that, time to flee. The coaching is nonexistent at best, emotionally damaging at worst. We left for ncap. I loved the idea of rmsc but couldn't subject my child to it after minis.

It doesn't bother my child so we stay because of cost. I'd rather do swim camps and private lessons but we have considered leaving. NCAP is the recommended on to go to but they are significantly more money.

Try first making it into NCAP or a fast group at another good club from RMSC juniors....

Is NCAP really that much better? Which one are you doing? We consideredg them but my child likes the kids at RMSC and we are paying for private lessons. I don't ever expect them to be a superstar. What is the difference between them beyond smaller groups and cost (twice as much in later years).

I pay only for superior times. My swimmer was making top 10 at RMSC in several events but wanted to climb further up at PVS and zone rankings. It is only possible with work on individual time goals, serious land exercise, technique work and consistently challenging workouts. Private lessons is a tiny particle comparing to what a really good structured program can offer. If you are already at a fast RMSC group, it takes a lot of research to find even better placement, many observational tryouts and final placememt depends on your swimmer leading strokes/events and how he/she’s liked by specific trainers specializing on those events. We considered NCAP, AAC, FISH, ASA, MACH, DRAG. We eventually ended up in a smaller program. I can tell that my swimmer is way happier and swims as fast or faster as former RMSC teammates, but with more attentive and accessible coaching, in more pleasant social setting, with added land exercise, and better workouts schedule