HS DS frosh navigating social scene

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in 9th at a K-12 school, which he entered in 6th when we relocated to area. He is fairly quiet and it took him awhile to make friends, but he was ultimately successful and had a couple of friendship groups, including a co-ed one. He was both happy and content - and his friends and the parents of friends really enjoyed his kindness and humor.

In 8th grade, alas, he tried to expand friendship groups and move into more "popular" set. That didn't really gel and he ended the year back with his original friendship groups. Now in 9th - same school, but new building on different part of campus. He is again trying to move into the more popular group. He has had some successes, but last weekend was pretty much the nadir as he had no plans on either night and he was clearly sad about being home. Might not be so painful, but his soph sister is in the center of the popular set and is friendly with some of the kids in her brother's grade. Just this morning she listed off her weekend activities while trying to figure out her study schedule with a friend. We have talked to her about looking out for him and she was very open to do so, but not necessarily clear in how she could do it.

DH and I have talked with him about the importance of maintaining old friends while trying to make new ones. He says he understands, yet we know that he is only hanging out with his old friends when there is a BD party, etc. My brother was/is a homebody, but he was content to sit at home and read or watch TV when he was in high school. While DS does like alone time, he clearly wants to connect with others over the weekend. He has also started to talk about what our lives might be like if we had not moved, something he has not done since he was in 6th grade.

I'm probably on the quiet end of spectrum too, so am stymied on how to be of support. DH and i know we can't "fix this" phase, but would love to hear from parents who've BTDT and what, if any, suggestions they have for us. TIA.


This sounds like your DS hasn't quite figured out his own identity- geeky/smart gamer kids, popular/social kids, etc. I'm not really judging because I think what your DS is experiencing is common- bright, regular kids who want to be social and "popular" but perhaps aren't standing out right now? I was "that" kid and it took me until my jr./sr. year to figure out that I was, on the inside, a bit of an independent thinker. I chose a a unique group of bright outsiders as friends and several of us are still close to this day.
I would encourage your DS to develop his own interests and reflect on who he is- when he does that, I think he will attract friends that he can connect with. I *do* think he needs to let go of pursuing the popular friends- it's not going to work and he will end up looking like a clinger and someone who ditches a nice group for the in crowd. No one respects that and teens see through it.


TY for your response - appreciate the insights. What's baffling to us is that DS always seemed comfortable in his own skin - insightful, wise, maybe even old in the soul. Very philosophical about being a good person. But his hormones seemed to have captured those traits and have either jettisoned or is not yet ready to release them. That's why DH and I are a bit thrown. We had hoped that last year was an aberration, but, after last weekend, does not seem to be the case. Again, thanks for your response. Candor doesn't have to be either snarky or judgmental.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your kid need to accept that he is who he is. The friends who treat him well are the friends worth keeping.

Many kids have empty weekends, and mama can't fix this.

Your kid would be less likely to be home alone if he weren't striving to be friends with the kids who don't want him. The kids that do like him would be put off by this.



The problem is, this thinking will lead his current (former?) friends to drop him, since he's pretty obviously using them as a fallback.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your kid need to accept that he is who he is. The friends who treat him well are the friends worth keeping.

Many kids have empty weekends, and mama can't fix this.

Your kid would be less likely to be home alone if he weren't striving to be friends with the kids who don't want him. The kids that do like him would be put off by this.



The problem is, this thinking will lead his current (former?) friends to drop him, since he's pretty obviously using them as a fallback.


Still can't figure out how folks are concluding that he is using his friends as a fallback....
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your kid need to accept that he is who he is. The friends who treat him well are the friends worth keeping.

Many kids have empty weekends, and mama can't fix this.

Your kid would be less likely to be home alone if he weren't striving to be friends with the kids who don't want him. The kids that do like him would be put off by this.



The problem is, this thinking will lead his current (former?) friends to drop him, since he's pretty obviously using them as a fallback.


Still can't figure out how folks are concluding that he is using his friends as a fallback....
I think because of this from the OP: In 8th grade, alas, he tried to expand friendship groups and move into more "popular" set. That didn't really gel and he ended the year back with his original friendship groups.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS in 9th at a K-12 school, which he entered in 6th when we relocated to area. He is fairly quiet and it took him awhile to make friends, but he was ultimately successful and had a couple of friendship groups, including a co-ed one. He was both happy and content - and his friends and the parents of friends really enjoyed his kindness and humor.

In 8th grade, alas, he tried to expand friendship groups and move into more "popular" set. That didn't really gel and he ended the year back with his original friendship groups. Now in 9th - same school, but new building on different part of campus. He is again trying to move into the more popular group. He has had some successes, but last weekend was pretty much the nadir as he had no plans on either night and he was clearly sad about being home. Might not be so painful, but his soph sister is in the center of the popular set and is friendly with some of the kids in her brother's grade. Just this morning she listed off her weekend activities while trying to figure out her study schedule with a friend. We have talked to her about looking out for him and she was very open to do so, but not necessarily clear in how she could do it.

DH and I have talked with him about the importance of maintaining old friends while trying to make new ones. He says he understands, yet we know that he is only hanging out with his old friends when there is a BD party, etc. My brother was/is a homebody, but he was content to sit at home and read or watch TV when he was in high school. While DS does like alone time, he clearly wants to connect with others over the weekend. He has also started to talk about what our lives might be like if we had not moved, something he has not done since he was in 6th grade.

I'm probably on the quiet end of spectrum too, so am stymied on how to be of support. DH and i know we can't "fix this" phase, but would love to hear from parents who've BTDT and what, if any, suggestions they have for us. TIA.




This sounds like your DS hasn't quite figured out his own identity- geeky/smart gamer kids, popular/social kids, etc. I'm not really judging because I think what your DS is experiencing is common- bright, regular kids who want to be social and "popular" but perhaps aren't standing out right now? I was "that" kid and it took me until my jr./sr. year to figure out that I was, on the inside, a bit of an independent thinker. I chose a a unique group of bright outsiders as friends and several of us are still close to this day.
I would encourage your DS to develop his own interests and reflect on who he is- when he does that, I think he will attract friends that he can connect with. I *do* think he needs to let go of pursuing the popular friends- it's not going to work and he will end up looking like a clinger and someone who ditches a nice group for the in crowd. No one respects that and teens see through it.


TY for your response - appreciate the insights. What's baffling to us is that DS always seemed comfortable in his own skin - insightful, wise, maybe even old in the soul. Very philosophical about being a good person. But his hormones seemed to have captured those traits and have either jettisoned or is not yet ready to release them. That's why DH and I are a bit thrown. We had hoped that last year was an aberration, but, after last weekend, does not seem to be the case. Again, thanks for your response. Candor doesn't have to be either snarky or judgmental.


pp here- He's just figuring out his identity. A freshman is pretty young- kids that age might be focused on popularity and where they fit in. I would see it as a positive that he realizes that he doesn't share interests with his previous group. My friend group my freshman year was a buncha' goodie two shoes- I hung out with them because that's where I was accepted, but it wouldn't have been my first choice and I didn't really fit. As soon as I escaped, I rebelled with some low grades and underage drinking - you don't want that either. Hence, encouraging the self-reflection.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If he has a group of friends why does he need to break into the popular group? What is it with being in the popular group that parents are so into. I've seen several posts on here asking for advice about the popular group.

If it were me, I'd discourage this and tell my kid to make friends based on the individual, not what group they belong to.


+1

Pathetic parents are creating unhappy children, no wonder.
Anonymous
I find it tough to believe that his only choices are the gaming group and the popular group. Can't he make new friends? I'm sure there are other groups who go out and enjoy themselves without necessarily being the most popular in school. Or, like you said, try to get the old friends to go out to dinner or a movie.

Whatever he does, he and you need to stop pushing him where he's not wanted. The popular group has spoken: Despite the efforts of his sister, they're not interested. If he continues to try this, he'll become a laughingstock.
Anonymous
I would encourage your DS to join activities, clubs and/or sports. Most high schools have a list of all clubs available. That will lead to new friends. It is obvious that he wants to be more social. All he needs is a few new buddies to ease this transition. Maybe this is his opportunity to show some leadership and be the organizer.
Anonymous
I don't care for the language of focusing on freshman, sophomore, etc. I think it is unnecessarily divisive. Better to say 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th.

I worked at a high school that made this change and I think it is really positive.
Anonymous
Get a life!
Anonymous
You don't break into the popular group. You just are or aren't popular. There's no clear metric for this but the kids themselves determine it and it's largely based on magnetism and charisma. Your kid doesn't have it, he won't be in the popular group just neveise he wants it and the harder he tries the worse it is. 9th grade is too old for that, popular striving is really a middle school thing.

He needs to accept that he is lucky to have a core group of friends and do stuff with them EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT POPULAR EITHER.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I would encourage your DS to join activities, clubs and/or sports. Most high schools have a list of all clubs available. That will lead to new friends. It is obvious that he wants to be more social. All he needs is a few new buddies to ease this transition. Maybe this is his opportunity to show some leadership and be the organizer.


+1 My middle school DS (king of the nerds) just formed a Magic the Gathering club at his school for his nerd realm. Obviously, he's not trying to break into the "popular" group but he knows who he is and that's what ultimately matters when attracting good friends.
Anonymous
OP I'd just say let him be - he'll figure it out - Freshman year is an awkward time for lots of kids. Maybe encourage him to invite a few kids over to your place for movie night or to watch a sporting event. Hanging out is what kids that age really like to do and it doesn't take much to do that - just a place to go. That's what my DS did and we became the hang out house for all of HS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would encourage your DS to join activities, clubs and/or sports. Most high schools have a list of all clubs available. That will lead to new friends. It is obvious that he wants to be more social. All he needs is a few new buddies to ease this transition. Maybe this is his opportunity to show some leadership and be the organizer.


+1 My middle school DS (king of the nerds) just formed a Magic the Gathering club at his school for his nerd realm. Obviously, he's not trying to break into the "popular" group but he knows who he is and that's what ultimately matters when attracting good friends.


Love this. My middle school ds is really in to MTG and is in the trading card club at his school. According to him, he spends most of his time organizing a girl's cards. LOL. I will suggest to him that next year he try to set up a specific magic the gathering game club (for another day - don't want to miss the trading card club meetings!)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't care for the language of focusing on freshman, sophomore, etc. I think it is unnecessarily divisive. Better to say 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th.

I worked at a high school that made this change and I think it is really positive.
What's wrong with saying freshman, sophmore, etc?
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