If I believe as follows - who should I vote for between Floreen/Elrich/Ficker

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

I"m voting for Floreen. I live in DTSS and I also hate the new big buildings going up. I'm afraid any cute stores will evidentially be gone and we will end up looking like Bethesda...Boo

Floreen is the better of the three choices,

This makes zero sense. If you hate the big buildings going up, why would you vote for someone who wants to build more of them?
Elrich wa the one who voted against bringing a mega mall to DTSS.

Erlich votes against things that create jobs and grow the tax base, right.

Look, we are in for some hard times. I don’t trust an inflammatory left winger or a nut job right winger in charge of the county.

Wrong. He votes against things that bring in those big buildings that are irresponsible and have no plan for accompanying infrastructure. He vot s for things like small business incubators and repealing outdated regulations. He is NOT an inflammatory left winger. Stop believing the pathetic and desperate propaganda from the select group that has a vested interest in unregulated development. The Washington Post editorial board and GreaterGreaterWashington are mouthpieces for Fred Hiatt, David Alpert and his protege Dan Reed who want the three or four largest real estate developers to make higher profits. They do not care about small businesses. All of this about Elrich being this scary job killer is propaganda.

One of the better posts in the thread. Thanks for speaking the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

I"m voting for Floreen. I live in DTSS and I also hate the new big buildings going up. I'm afraid any cute stores will evidentially be gone and we will end up looking like Bethesda...Boo

Floreen is the better of the three choices,

This makes zero sense. If you hate the big buildings going up, why would you vote for someone who wants to build more of them?
Elrich wa the one who voted against bringing a mega mall to DTSS.

Erlich votes against things that create jobs and grow the tax base, right.

Look, we are in for some hard times. I don’t trust an inflammatory left winger or a nut job right winger in charge of the county.

Wrong. He votes against things that bring in those big buildings that are irresponsible and have no plan for accompanying infrastructure. He vot s for things like small business incubators and repealing outdated regulations. He is NOT an inflammatory left winger. Stop believing the pathetic and desperate propaganda from the select group that has a vested interest in unregulated development. The Washington Post editorial board and GreaterGreaterWashington are mouthpieces for Fred Hiatt, David Alpert and his protege Dan Reed who want the three or four largest real estate developers to make higher profits. They do not care about small businesses. All of this about Elrich being this scary job killer is propaganda.

One of the better posts in the thread. Thanks for speaking the truth.

Great repetition of talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

Floreen has spent her career in the pocket of developers. Ficker wants to be in their pocket. Elrich is the only one who has any interests in the welfare of county residents.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

I"m voting for Floreen. I live in DTSS and I also hate the new big buildings going up. I'm afraid any cute stores will evidentially be gone and we will end up looking like Bethesda...Boo

Floreen is the better of the three choices,

This makes zero sense. If you hate the big buildings going up, why would you vote for someone who wants to build more of them?
Elrich wa the one who voted against bringing a mega mall to DTSS.

Erlich votes against things that create jobs and grow the tax base, right.

Look, we are in for some hard times. I don’t trust an inflammatory left winger or a nut job right winger in charge of the county.

Wrong. He votes against things that bring in those big buildings that are irresponsible and have no plan for accompanying infrastructure. He vot s for things like small business incubators and repealing outdated regulations. He is NOT an inflammatory left winger. Stop believing the pathetic and desperate propaganda from the select group that has a vested interest in unregulated development. The Washington Post editorial board and GreaterGreaterWashington are mouthpieces for Fred Hiatt, David Alpert and his protege Dan Reed who want the three or four largest real estate developers to make higher profits. They do not care about small businesses. All of this about Elrich being this scary job killer is propaganda.

Elrich has been on the County Council since 2006. In all those years, where did he ever vote for a small business incubator, or to repeal regulations? If anything Elrich has done the opposite by stating jobs should be created in Frederick County, voted for an increase in the property tax, voted for an increase in the recordation tax (along with Floreen), and voted for nonsensical regulations like a trans fat ban. As for development, Elrich's record has been to vote "no" on key projects such as the Long Branch Sector Plan. Somehow, Elrich wants curry favor with baby-boomers whom want MoCo to remain a 70s suburbs with roads and strip malls.

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It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

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Elrich

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

Yeah, this

Elrich built his career by being on the far left and building up an anti business reputation. Good enough for council but not moderate enough for county exec

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

Vote for Elrich.

The vast majority of this forum is going to tell you to vote for Floreen because its target audience is also her target audience: Upper-middle class married white women over 40. (This will probably be followed with anonymous posters claiming not to be of that demographic, but I have much reason to believe that this IS the demographic that posts here.) This is a completely neutral hypothesis. Gauging by all the posts about the local elections here, the political slant on this site runs surface-level socially liberal, mainstream liberal on federal issues, and fiscally conservative.

To be completely honest, none of the candidates are going to put development to a halt. This is simply impossible. We live in a bustling and expanding metro area, for better or for worse.
Elrich is very explicit, but wonky, on the nuts-and-bolts of things, which in this election cycle is more of a curse on him than a blessing because people tend not to follow and to simplify things into him being anti-housing. He isn't. He wants housing to keep pace with infrastructure. The valid counter-argument will be that the costs and restrictions on developers will be instead pushed onto new residents, in the form of higher costs and/or lower supply, but I see this as the problem with developers, not Elrich. Ultimately, development will still happen, but hopefully at a more sustainable pace (and likely along with a lot of whining over lower profits for Nulsen and Lee).

[i]Floreen will let developers build basically anywhere, anyplace, anytime.

Ficker, honestly, is a complete wildcard. To call him a far-right Trumper is incorrect. He's said quite lefty things like pushing to a $15 minimum wage faster than everyone else, and then he's said the solution to homelessness is Amazon. He makes things up as he goes along. On development, he'll listen to the last person in the room, and then return to his talking point on property taxes. To his credit, he might not be ideological. Who knows if he means well; he is not qualified.

Ficker would be better than Floreen. As this isn't the White House, four years of complete buffoonery and incompetence might be the right level of embarrassment we need to get our priorities and our electoral system in place while we let the council be the adults in the room and handle what they can. His damage could be fixed or controlled. Floreen's could not.

Elrich would be the top choice for your values, or for someone who values environmental issues, labor, racial equity, limiting the influence of corporate money in politics, developing small and local businesses, and alleviating income inequality He is not the top choice for someone who prioritizes rapid urbanization, subsidizing large corporations, enabling corporate influence in elections, encouraging highways and roads, emulating Tysons Corner, etc. Again, please read this assessment with a neutral tone. There are some people who do prioritize the latter and that's fine. Floreen is the choice for them. We'll see by November 6th which choice wins.

Yup. And those rich middle class white Women can go relax at their country club while their kids are snugly nestled in their private schools but the rest of us need good uncrowded public schools, parks, community centers, roads that aren’t clogged and to see the sun.

I hate Floreen for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

Yeah, this

Elrich built his career by being on the far left and building up an anti business reputation. Good enough for council but not moderate enough for county exec

Yeah - all of the business owners are anti Elrich because they are afraid of a $15 minimum wage. It’s that simple. Businesses will always be here because there’s a lot of money here, they just want more for themselves. Too bad - buck up!!
Even amazon is bowing to political pressure and is offering their lowest level workers higher wages. You shouldn’t be working full time and still need food stamps , utility assistance and Medicaid. That’s called businesses living off the dole!

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To be honest, Elrich is quite aligned with Green party values.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

Yeah, this

Elrich built his career by being on the far left and building up an anti business reputation. Good enough for council but not moderate enough for county exec

Yeah - all of the business owners are anti Elrich because they are afraid of a $15 minimum wage. It’s that simple. Businesses will always be here because there’s a lot of money here, they just want more for themselves. Too bad - buck up!!
Even amazon is bowing to political pressure and is offering their lowest level workers higher wages. You shouldn’t be working full time and still need food stamps , utility assistance and Medicaid. That’s called businesses living off the dole!

When one county tells businesses "too bad!" and the counties next door tell businesses "how can we help?" you're gonna get some problems

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Bethesda and feel that way too many big buildings are going up in the Bethesda row / Wisconsin Ave area. I'm worried about traffic congestion, school capacity, etc.

Let's just say it's my pref that development takes a big pause for a while. I understand many may disagree with me! That said, which of the three listed above best aligns with my preferences. Guess Elrich, but not really sure.

Vote for Elrich.

The vast majority of this forum is going to tell you to vote for Floreen because its target audience is also her target audience: Upper-middle class married white women over 40. (This will probably be followed with anonymous posters claiming not to be of that demographic, but I have much reason to believe that this IS the demographic that posts here.) This is a completely neutral hypothesis. Gauging by all the posts about the local elections here, the political slant on this site runs surface-level socially liberal, mainstream liberal on federal issues, and fiscally conservative.

To be completely honest, none of the candidates are going to put development to a halt. This is simply impossible. We live in a bustling and expanding metro area, for better or for worse.
Elrich is very explicit, but wonky, on the nuts-and-bolts of things, which in this election cycle is more of a curse on him than a blessing because people tend not to follow and to simplify things into him being anti-housing. He isn't. He wants housing to keep pace with infrastructure. The valid counter-argument will be that the costs and restrictions on developers will be instead pushed onto new residents, in the form of higher costs and/or lower supply, but I see this as the problem with developers, not Elrich. Ultimately, development will still happen, but hopefully at a more sustainable pace (and likely along with a lot of whining over lower profits for Nulsen and Lee).

[i]Floreen will let developers build basically anywhere, anyplace, anytime.

Ficker, honestly, is a complete wildcard. To call him a far-right Trumper is incorrect. He's said quite lefty things like pushing to a $15 minimum wage faster than everyone else, and then he's said the solution to homelessness is Amazon. He makes things up as he goes along. On development, he'll listen to the last person in the room, and then return to his talking point on property taxes. To his credit, he might not be ideological. Who knows if he means well; he is not qualified.

Ficker would be better than Floreen. As this isn't the White House, four years of complete buffoonery and incompetence might be the right level of embarrassment we need to get our priorities and our electoral system in place while we let the council be the adults in the room and handle what they can. His damage could be fixed or controlled. Floreen's could not.

Elrich would be the top choice for your values, or for someone who values environmental issues, labor, racial equity, limiting the influence of corporate money in politics, developing small and local businesses, and alleviating income inequality He is not the top choice for someone who prioritizes rapid urbanization, subsidizing large corporations, enabling corporate influence in elections, encouraging highways and roads, emulating Tysons Corner, etc. Again, please read this assessment with a neutral tone. There are some people who do prioritize the latter and that's fine. Floreen is the choice for them. We'll see by November 6th which choice wins.

Yup. And those rich middle class white Women can go relax at their country club while their kids are snugly nestled in their private schools but the rest of us need good uncrowded public schools, parks, community centers, roads that aren’t clogged and to see the sun.

I hate Floreen for this.

You hate her? So weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

Yeah, this

Elrich built his career by being on the far left and building up an anti business reputation. Good enough for council but not moderate enough for county exec

Yeah - all of the business owners are anti Elrich because they are afraid of a $15 minimum wage. It’s that simple. Businesses will always be here because there’s a lot of money here, they just want more for themselves. Too bad - buck up!!
Even amazon is bowing to political pressure and is offering their lowest level workers higher wages. You shouldn’t be working full time and still need food stamps , utility assistance and Medicaid. That’s called businesses living off the dole!

When one county tells businesses "too bad!" and the counties next door tell businesses "how can we help?" you're gonna get some problems

Many Elrich people don’t care. A lot of them see business as bad.

[Anonymous]

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Different poster here. I am surprised so many people voted for term limits. I thought we were a more educated county than that. You now have gotten rid of the ability of truly good policy makers to stay longer. If you think they are bad, vote them out. But if they are good, keep them. The good ones are few and far between.

The term limits are 12 years. That's more than enough time for people to get in and affect change. It shouldn't be a lifetime position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s fairly clear to me that Elrich and his supporters are now trying to sell him as a moderate. I’ve lived in Takoma Park too long to buy that.

I want businesses to locate here. I want younger people to want to move here. I want the tax base to increase. I want a county executive who will be able to work with other leaders, not alienate them. Elrich is not the right person.

Yeah, this

Elrich built his career by being on the far left and building up an anti business reputation. Good enough for council but not moderate enough for county exec

Yeah - all of the business owners are anti Elrich because they are afraid of a $15 minimum wage. It’s that simple. Businesses will always be here because there’s a lot of money here, they just want more for themselves. Too bad - buck up!!
Even amazon is bowing to political pressure and is offering their lowest level workers higher wages. You shouldn’t be working full time and still need food stamps , utility assistance and Medicaid. That’s called businesses living off the dole!

When one county tells businesses "too bad!" and the counties next door tell businesses "how can we help?" you're gonna get some problems

Big businesses like Amazon aren't really afraid of the $15 minimum wage. But, as PP noted, when you have neighboring counties with a similar work force, and one has a lower corporate tax rate - 6% vs 8.25%, it's obvious where businesses will decide to grow. But corporate state taxes are a state issue, not county issue. I don't think MoCo has a separate county corporate tax.. does it?

Small businesses however would be impacted by a higher minimum wage, but it is also true that if you care about people but also want them off welfare, you have to pay a living wage.