Closing Georgetown Pike Ramp to I-495

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a few problems at work with this complete mess that is GTP:

First, there is a cop that has been stationed on GTP because Marylanders do anything at all to get onto that part of the beltway, no matter how.

This includes blocking the box (most of the time), or the occasional Marylander who thinks thy are witty and will drive right TO the cop and pass the island (ie: instead of joining his fellow Marylanders on the offramp - this occasional snowflake bypasses his fellow offenders all together and makes a right AFTER the actual off ramp island - right AT the offramp.)

Witty? Not so much. Especially when the Governor of Virginia lives near the neighborhood and gets completely fed up with effects of Waze and its direct ramifications. So, you have a ramp closure. Congratulations Marylanders, you got what you asked for.

PP here. Not to mention, the Marylanders who tried to U turn at that very dangerous intersection for years, but were finally stopped in their tracks.

The intersection is a nightmare but as a resident of McLean and someone who is frustrated on a weekly basis trying to leave my neighborhood- I feel closing the ramp is EXTREMELY short sighted-yes that is right I am AGAINST it! Posting the police at the intersection has been very effective. My vote is for a red light camera!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard much about this? I cannot believe they would consider closing a highway ramp for any reason. We need better access to the highway, not worse.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2018/07/mclean-residents-push-for-va-beltway-on-ramp-closure/slide/1/

If you are against this proposal-PLEASE attend the meeting on 8/2!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a few problems at work with this complete mess that is GTP:

First, there is a cop that has been stationed on GTP because Marylanders do anything at all to get onto that part of the beltway, no matter how.

This includes blocking the box (most of the time), or the occasional Marylander who thinks thy are witty and will drive right TO the cop and pass the island (ie: instead of joining his fellow Marylanders on the offramp - this occasional snowflake bypasses his fellow offenders all together and makes a right AFTER the actual off ramp island - right AT the offramp.)

Witty? Not so much. Especially when the Governor of Virginia lives near the neighborhood and gets completely fed up with effects of Waze and its direct ramifications. So, you have a ramp closure. Congratulations Marylanders, you got what you asked for.

PP here. Not to mention, the Marylanders who tried to U turn at that very dangerous intersection for years, but were finally stopped in their tracks.

The intersection is a nightmare but as a resident of McLean and someone who is frustrated on a weekly basis trying to leave my neighborhood- I feel closing the ramp is EXTREMELY short sighted-yes that is right I am AGAINST it! Posting the police at the intersection has been very effective. My vote is for a red light camera!

Virginia law allows localities no more than one red light camera observed intersection for each 10,000 residents. That means Fairfax can have roughly 100. I am not sure if they are using all 100 they are allowed - if they are, adding one here would mean removing one somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Georgetown Pike has been around since George Washington was alive. The houses on the Pike each have 2-5 acres of land, some more. I don't consider that over-development. I live off the Pike and I can tell you that it is without a doubt mostly MD commuters using that road, avoiding the Toll road and Route 7. It's one lane and very curvy in places. The bottlenecks occur beyond Old Dominion due to a stop sign at Swinks Mill and lights at and a bit before the beltway entrance.

You can't really widen Georgetown Pike without major construction as some areas are sheer drops into Difficult Run stream. A bridge was proposed off Fairfax County Parkway and shot down.

Your logic escapes me. Georgetown Pike is old and your property is large, thus other people don't exist and traffic is not your problem? I know Georgetown Pike very well myself and it can be made wider, safer, and more accommodating to the volume that is inevitable given the demographics of 2018. Please update your references from the 1700s.

Closing off any access to a vital artery such as the beltway will cause incredible congestion throughout an even wider area. There are better alternatives and unfortunately they will cost big $ and take a long time to install because of the decades of neglect wishing this problem away. Build the bridge, add lanes, create flyovers, or simply enforce the traffic controls since the lane cheaters are predominantly responsible for the gridlock.


Georgetown Pike is a designated historic byway. It can't be widened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard much about this? I cannot believe they would consider closing a highway ramp for any reason. We need better access to the highway, not worse.

https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2018/07/mclean-residents-push-for-va-beltway-on-ramp-closure/slide/1/

If you are against this proposal-PLEASE attend the meeting on 8/2!

You're from Maryland and use the McLean backroads to get home every night, don't you? I am definitely FOR this proposal and plan to attend.

[Anonymous]

VDOT is notoriously lazy and incompetent. That’s pretty much all you need to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a few problems at work with this complete mess that is GTP:

First, there is a cop that has been stationed on GTP because Marylanders do anything at all to get onto that part of the beltway, no matter how.

This includes blocking the box (most of the time), or the occasional Marylander who thinks thy are witty and will drive right TO the cop and pass the island (ie: instead of joining his fellow Marylanders on the offramp - this occasional snowflake bypasses his fellow offenders all together and makes a right AFTER the actual off ramp island - right AT the offramp.)

Witty? Not so much. Especially when the Governor of Virginia lives near the neighborhood and gets completely fed up with effects of Waze and its direct ramifications. So, you have a ramp closure. Congratulations Marylanders, you got what you asked for.

PP here. Not to mention, the Marylanders who tried to U turn at that very dangerous intersection for years, but were finally stopped in their tracks.

The intersection is a nightmare but as a resident of McLean and someone who is frustrated on a weekly basis trying to leave my neighborhood- I feel closing the ramp is EXTREMELY short sighted-yes that is right I am AGAINST it! Posting the police at the intersection has been very effective. My vote is for a red light camera!

Virginia law allows localities no more than one red light camera observed intersection for each 10,000 residents. That means Fairfax can have roughly 100. I am not sure if they are using all 100 they are allowed - if they are, adding one here would mean removing one somewhere else.

This is hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

+1

NBD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

It adds time, for the transfer and the possibility of a train being delayed, beyond the circuity of going through DC.

I mean PP is correct, in that McLean is just as car dependent as MoCo, and that McLean is effectively trying to shut MoCo out of McLean.

If McLean really wants to be open to people coming from MoCo via transit, they should push for Purple Line extension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

Entitled and clueless McLean residents squaring off against equally entitled and clueless Bethesda residents about one anothers rights to drive however and wherever they like in their exclusive and poorly designed suburbs is highly entertaining.

Both communities now have pretty easy options for getting downtown on public transportation but not options for getting between their communities.

If there is magically some group of McLean residents who use public transportation to get around the suburbs I hope they will show up and advocate for this road closing.

Everyone else just needs to STFU else they will reveal how completely clueless and hypocritical they really are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

Entitled and clueless McLean residents squaring off against equally entitled and clueless Bethesda residents about one anothers rights to drive however and wherever they like in their exclusive and poorly designed suburbs is highly entertaining.

Both communities now have pretty easy options for getting downtown on public transportation but not options for getting between their communities.

If there is magically some group of McLean residents who use public transportation to get around the suburbs I hope they will show up and advocate for this road closing.

Everyone else just needs to STFU else they will reveal how completely clueless and hypocritical they really are.

You are missing the point, as expected. It seems as though you do not want anyone speaking out, and that is not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

Entitled and clueless McLean residents squaring off against equally entitled and clueless Bethesda residents about one anothers rights to drive however and wherever they like in their exclusive and poorly designed suburbs is highly entertaining.

Both communities now have pretty easy options for getting downtown on public transportation but not options for getting between their communities.

If there is magically some group of McLean residents who use public transportation to get around the suburbs I hope they will show up and advocate for this road closing.

Everyone else just needs to STFU else they will reveal how completely clueless and hypocritical they really are.

You are missing the point, as expected. It seems as though you do not want anyone speaking out, and that is not going to happen.

Nope not missing the point - I have no objection to people speaking out as they are constitutionally entitled to do. I will just howl with laughter at the hypocrisy of car dependent McLean residents telling other car dependent residents that they can't use public roadways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

Entitled and clueless McLean residents squaring off against equally entitled and clueless Bethesda residents about one anothers rights to drive however and wherever they like in their exclusive and poorly designed suburbs is highly entertaining.

Both communities now have pretty easy options for getting downtown on public transportation but not options for getting between their communities.

If there is magically some group of McLean residents who use public transportation to get around the suburbs I hope they will show up and advocate for this road closing.

Everyone else just needs to STFU else they will reveal how completely clueless and hypocritical they really are.

You are missing the point, as expected. It seems as though you do not want anyone speaking out, and that is not going to happen.

Nope not missing the point - I have no objection to people speaking out as they are constitutionally entitled to do. I will just howl with laughter at the hypocrisy of car dependent McLean residents telling other car dependent residents that they can't use public roadways.

I don't think that many McLean people depend on Maryland for work, but keep laughing, if it makes you feel better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So none of the residents of McLean drive? Or drive in other neighborhoods? Or McLean residents will commit to not driving in other neighborhoods or using other on and off ramps during the closures?

If this was a dense area well served by transit and people coming to and from the neighborhood had other good options maybe this would make sense.

But for one car dependent suburb to shut out other car dependent suburbanites is hypocrisy of the highest order.

FWIW I don't even drive and doubt I've ever even used this exit.

Metro goes to and from Tysons, all day to places all over Maryland. Most McLean people who do use this exit (most do not) have other options.

Don't some people from Maryland need to get to downtown McLean?

It not currenly very easy to get from MoCo to Tysons by transit. You have to take the Red line into DC, then change to the Silver line. Now if the people of McLean, represented by the McLean Civic Association, were to call for extending the Purple Line from Bethesda to Tysons via McLean, I would say they were serious about transit.

One train change? Really? That's hard?!?

Entitled and clueless McLean residents squaring off against equally entitled and clueless Bethesda residents about one anothers rights to drive however and wherever they like in their exclusive and poorly designed suburbs is highly entertaining.

Both communities now have pretty easy options for getting downtown on public transportation but not options for getting between their communities.

If there is magically some group of McLean residents who use public transportation to get around the suburbs I hope they will show up and advocate for this road closing.

Everyone else just needs to STFU else they will reveal how completely clueless and hypocritical they really are.

You are missing the point, as expected. It seems as though you do not want anyone speaking out, and that is not going to happen.

Nope not missing the point - I have no objection to people speaking out as they are constitutionally entitled to do. I will just howl with laughter at the hypocrisy of car dependent McLean residents telling other car dependent residents that they can't use public roadways.

I don't think that many McLean people depend on Maryland for work, but keep laughing, if it makes you feel better.

Oh god you are dense. McLean people rely on public roads to get around. Just like the people they want to keep out.