Hate group leader joins National Security Council

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SPLC has ZERO-POINT-ZERO credibility, Jeff. None. Zip. Nada. Even the Obama Justice Dept had to distance itself from their lunacy.


Dees and Potok are just shakedown artists and con men.

You don't like groups that call out hate?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SPLC has ZERO-POINT-ZERO credibility, Jeff. None. Zip. Nada. Even the Obama Justice Dept had to distance itself from their lunacy.


Dees and Potok are just shakedown artists and con men.

Do you want to argue that the Council on Security Policy is not a hate group? The SPCL is hardly the focus of this thread. You can read the information they have collected because that makes it easy to find. Or, you can do your own research. These are the looniest fringe of the loonies. They actually campaigned to get Grover Norquist kicked off the NRA board because they think he's in league with jihadists.

I believe it's fair to say that the SPLC is a focus of this thread if it's the source of what you're citing.

You wouldn't assign any credibility to infowars, would you? (Probably the only thing we'd ever agree on, btw, ha!). Citing the SPLC is basically the polar-opposite. Just as crazy, off the other end of the curve.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SPLC has ZERO-POINT-ZERO credibility, Jeff. None. Zip. Nada. Even the Obama Justice Dept had to distance itself from their lunacy.


Dees and Potok are just shakedown artists and con men.

Do you want to argue that the Council on Security Policy is not a hate group? The SPCL is hardly the focus of this thread. You can read the information they have collected because that makes it easy to find. Or, you can do your own research. These are the looniest fringe of the loonies. They actually campaigned to get Grover Norquist kicked off the NRA board because they think he's in league with jihadists.

I believe it's fair to say that the SPLC is a focus of this thread if it's the source of what you're citing.

You wouldn't assign any credibility to infowars, would you? (Probably the only thing we'd ever agree on, btw, ha!). Citing the SPLC is basically the polar-opposite. Just as crazy, off the other end of the curve.

I provided two sources, but I've also suggested that you look into the groups yourself. Your ignoring the focus of the thread -- which I guess I have to remind you is two former leaders of hate groups being appointed National Security Advisor and his chief of staff -- and trying to argue about the SPLC tells a lot about your priorities. You ignore the ADL completely and don't say anything about the actual topic of this thread.

Bash the SPLC all you want, but they provide this quote from the Center for Security Policy:

“So pervasive now is the MB’s [Muslim Brotherhood’s] ‘civilization jihad’ within the U.S. government and civil institutions that a serious, sustained and rigorous investigation of the phenomenon by the legislative branch is in order. To that end, we need to establish a new and improved counterpart to the Cold War-era’s HUAC [House Un-American Activities Committee] and charge it with examining and rooting out anti-American – and anti-constitutional – activities that constitute an even more insidious peril than those pursued by communist Fifth Columnists fifty years ago. ”
–column, Center for Security Policy website, 2011

Oh, look! Here that quote is, right on the Center for Security Policy's website just like the SPLC said:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2011/07/19/anti-american-activities-a-cold-war-style-effort-to-root-out-civilizational-jihad-2/

So, the SPLC wasn't completely off its rocker.

Anyway, these loony tunes think that the US government has been infiltrated by jihadists such as Grover Norquist and we need a House Un-American Activities Committee to root them out. These are the people providing Trump national security advice. But, let's ignore all of this and argue about the SPLC.

[Anonymous]

Some very fine people in the White House.

[jsteele]

The Washington Post has a good article on this topic today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/30/new-national-security-council-chief-of-staff-comes-from-a-group-that-believes-muslims-are-plotting-to-take-over-america/

Fleitz has also promoted the myth of European “no-go zones” — places the CSP casts as being governed by Islamic law — as well as a widely debunked CSP survey that suggested a quarter of Muslims support violence against Americans. (During his campaign, Trump cited the same survey in calling for a ban on Muslims entering the United States.)

[Anonymous]

I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

And? I understand the narrative. I also know people who were horribly abused. There would be no need for education re: rape and anti-semitism by European governments if it wasn’t an issue.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

Debunked by whom?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

Debunked by whom?

Debunked by people who actually live in those cities. Debunked by journalists who actually went there. Also, quit trying to change the subject and perpetuating Islamophobia yourself.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/13/577819069/i-got-it-wrong-u-s-ambassador-says-about-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-netherlands

Hoekstra said, "I got countries mixed up. I got it wrong, and I don't know how it could have happened." So he did not say that no-go zones don't exist, just that they don't exist in the Netherlands.

Things are different in other countries.

I'm curious why you say they've been debunked?

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/7847/3877548

In the interview talked about above, Chancellor Merkel, for the first time, admits that No-Go zones exist. “There are such areas and one has to call them by their name and do something about them.”[u]

Here is an AP story about it as well. https://www.apnews.com/438bb0ac98d04459ab2e392f3c4fc5ef It includes the same quote.

I would say the words of the German Chancellor are pretty definitive, wouldn't you?

Here's another one by the head of a German Police Union, where he states police won't go to certain areas as the car will be surrounded by 40-50 men.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Farticle161024877%2FWendt-warnt-vor-polizeifreien-Zonen-in-Deutschland.html


https://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/belgium-doesnt-have-control-over-molenbeek-interior-minister-says/

The NY Times reported that the Belgan Minster of the Interior stated they do not have control over portions of Molenbeek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who have researched this topic extensively. There are most definitely ‘No Go Zones’, especially for Jews and women

The US ambassador to the Netherlands was recently forced to offer a humiliating apology for his previous claim that there were no-go zones. All of these claims of no-go zones have been debunked. Your friends are crap researchers.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/13/577819069/i-got-it-wrong-u-s-ambassador-says-about-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-netherlands

Hoekstra said, "I got countries mixed up. I got it wrong, and I don't know how it could have happened." So he did not say that no-go zones don't exist, just that they don't exist in the Netherlands.

Things are different in other countries.

I'm curious why you say they've been debunked?

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/7847/3877548

In the interview talked about above, Chancellor Merkel, for the first time, admits that No-Go zones exist. “There are such areas and one has to call them by their name and do something about them.”[u]

Here is an AP story about it as well. https://www.apnews.com/438bb0ac98d04459ab2e392f3c4fc5ef It includes the same quote.

I would say the words of the German Chancellor are pretty definitive, wouldn't you?

Here's another one by the head of a German Police Union, where he states police won't go to certain areas as the car will be surrounded by 40-50 men.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Farticle161024877%2FWendt-warnt-vor-polizeifreien-Zonen-in-Deutschland.html


https://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/belgium-doesnt-have-control-over-molenbeek-interior-minister-says/

The NY Times reported that the Belgan Minster of the Interior stated they do not have control over portions of Molenbeek.

Mpretty damning. Thank you

[jsteele]

Merkel was talking about areas with high crime in which people don’t feel safe and therefore don’t visit. That’s like saying Cabrini Green was a no go zone. She wasn’t talking about areas controlled by Muslims and never even mentioned Muslims or Islam.

[jsteele]

Another point. It is interesting that there is an entire industry devoted to Islamophobia. It appears to be very well-funded and is now able to place two of its leaders at the highest levels of government with little outcry. Posters would rather debate the SPLC then the fact that people who believe that Grover Norquist is allied with Jihadists to take over America are our President’s top advisors. It is really sad to see followers of the Islamophobia industry posting here.

[Anonymous]

Read between the lines - or for that matter, just read. I do admit it's a fancy piece of footwork:

"In the state parliament of North Rhine-Westphalia, the committee of inquiry goes to New Year's Eve 2015 in Cologne, the question of whether there are "law-free spaces" in North Rhine-Westphalia. Kriminalhauptkommissar Ralf Feldmann reported there as a witness of the threat of isolated family clans.However, other leading police officers in the committee stressed that there are no "no-go areas" in NRW.

In Baden-Württemberg too , the GdP is calling for better levers to be able to act more effectively against multiple offenders from abroad. "Our members often have the impression that the work of the police is not taken seriously by the political leaders," said the Baden-Württemberg state chairman Hans-Jürgen Kirstein the "Stuttgarter Nachrichten".