My child got detention for walking out

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

DP here. I don't think the matter qualifies as unlawful detainment. If it does qualify, it would be a reach. The kids are underage, and required to be in school, by law.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a one day detention? Just let the kid serve it proudly. Get home work done. Like you said, civil disobedience has consequences and that is okay. Your kid did the right thing and he or she knows that.

Yeah, I'm torn between the lessons. On the one hand, yeah, civil disobedience has consequences. On the other hand, I genuinely don't recognize the authority of the school to detain my child for this. Maybe not a hill worth dying on.

Why don't you recognize their authority? Because she walked out for a good reason that you agreed with? What if she had walked out for a reason you didn't agree with, or started protesting daily or something?

I would think she'd serve this detention as a badge of honor, and you ought to help her see it that way. If you ALSO want to send a strongly-worded statement to the administration expressing your disappointment and anget that they didn't accommodate the walkout or offer an alternative, that's a good plan, too.

What's the point of an "accomodated" walkout? It makes as much sense as a sit-in when you're invited to the dinner.

I am struggling with this, too. PP here. Also, I wanted the message that the children are sending to be made to the NRA, not the teachers. The teachers did nothing wrong, and should not be punished by having to wrangle children all day today. If the children were at the Capitol, that would be effective.

That would actually require some level of effort. People who "protest" today aren't interested in doing much more than changing their Facebook status, or taking a short break from school as long as there are no adverse consequences.

Did you not see the news coverage of all of the children at the Capitol today? I can't wait until they are of age to vote!

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Anonymous wrote:Cobb County, GA is giving students a 5 day suspension for a 17-minute walkout that doesn't leave school grounds.

That, I'd protest, but I'd also be proud of my kid for making a sacrifice to do what's right.

C'mon. No surprise here.

People here in the Atlanta area are actually pretty upset about it. The ACLU is already involved, because the state government tried to use permitting rules to deny space for a larger protest later this week, and pulled the power on one in progress at the capitol last week.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

Who should determine the correct political issues for which schools give children a pass?

Any issue that involves children getting murdered at school should be allowed a "pass".

So if, for example, an illegal immigrant kills a student, students across the country will be free to protest lax immigration enforcement and sanctuary cities by walking out?

What about if kids want to protest gang/drug shootings in places like Chicago or Baltimore, which sometimes happen in school yards, and the societal breakdown that exacerbates them? They should have the freedom to do so?

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Anonymous wrote:She should do the detention. Civil disobedience is "disobedience" after all -- it means that you might face consequences. If you think those consequences are discriminatory/in retaliation for the content of her message, then go to your ACLU chapter.

Were the school shooters worried about "civil disobedience"?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a one day detention? Just let the kid serve it proudly. Get home work done. Like you said, civil disobedience has consequences and that is okay. Your kid did the right thing and he or she knows that.

Yeah, I'm torn between the lessons. On the one hand, yeah, civil disobedience has consequences. On the other hand, I genuinely don't recognize the authority of the school to detain my child for this. Maybe not a hill worth dying on.

Why don't you recognize their authority? Because she walked out for a good reason that you agreed with? What if she had walked out for a reason you didn't agree with, or started protesting daily or something?

I would think she'd serve this detention as a badge of honor, and you ought to help her see it that way. If you ALSO want to send a strongly-worded statement to the administration expressing your disappointment and anget that they didn't accommodate the walkout or offer an alternative, that's a good plan, too.

What's the point of an "accomodated" walkout? It makes as much sense as a sit-in when you're invited to the dinner.

The point is facilitating the students' civic involvement, which some schools are doing. The stated reason for the walkout is to commemorate the Parkland victims and other victims of school shootings. In that narrow reading of the point of the walkout, it would be fine for schools to accommodate it, or to say they won't punish kids for it.

Kids are being asked to do this regardless, but there's no rule that says some schools can't also buck the system as a whole.

So it's not actually a protest? They just want to have a moment of silence?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

Who should determine the correct political issues for which schools give children a pass?

Any issue that involves children getting murdered at school should be allowed a "pass".

So if, for example, an illegal immigrant kills a student, students across the country will be free to protest lax immigration enforcement and sanctuary cities by walking out?

What about if kids want to protest gang/drug shootings in places like Chicago or Baltimore, which sometimes happen in school yards, and the societal breakdown that exacerbates them? They should have the freedom to do so?

I don't think either of those scenarios have produced the number of innocent victims (who were, by the way, going about their day at school) that the multiple school shooters who had ready access to killing machines. Nice try though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cobb County, GA is giving students a 5 day suspension for a 17-minute walkout that doesn't leave school grounds.

That, I'd protest, but I'd also be proud of my kid for making a sacrifice to do what's right.

Yeah, that’s definite grounds for a lawsuit. Looks like school officials in Cobb County forgot to take that School Law class where they could have read about Tinker v. Des Moines and how the Supreme Court ruled on that one. Hopefully the ACLU is on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a one day detention? Just let the kid serve it proudly. Get home work done. Like you said, civil disobedience has consequences and that is okay. Your kid did the right thing and he or she knows that.

Yeah, I'm torn between the lessons. On the one hand, yeah, civil disobedience has consequences. On the other hand, I genuinely don't recognize the authority of the school to detain my child for this. Maybe not a hill worth dying on.

Why don't you recognize their authority? Because she walked out for a good reason that you agreed with? What if she had walked out for a reason you didn't agree with, or started protesting daily or something?

I would think she'd serve this detention as a badge of honor, and you ought to help her see it that way. If you ALSO want to send a strongly-worded statement to the administration expressing your disappointment and anget that they didn't accommodate the walkout or offer an alternative, that's a good plan, too.

What's the point of an "accomodated" walkout? It makes as much sense as a sit-in when you're invited to the dinner.

The point is facilitating the students' civic involvement, which some schools are doing. The stated reason for the walkout is to commemorate the Parkland victims and other victims of school shootings. In that narrow reading of the point of the walkout, it would be fine for schools to accommodate it, or to say they won't punish kids for it.

Kids are being asked to do this regardless, but there's no rule that says some schools can't also buck the system as a whole.

So it's not actually a protest? They just want to have a moment of silence?

Maybe you tell your child how to protest, if they are even allowed to do so (doubt it) - but some of us do not live in a dictatorship household.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

Who should determine the correct political issues for which schools give children a pass?

Any issue that involves children getting murdered at school should be allowed a "pass".

So if, for example, an illegal immigrant kills a student, students across the country will be free to protest lax immigration enforcement and sanctuary cities by walking out?

What about if kids want to protest gang/drug shootings in places like Chicago or Baltimore, which sometimes happen in school yards, and the societal breakdown that exacerbates them? They should have the freedom to do so?

I don't think either of those scenarios have produced the number of innocent victims (who were, by the way, going about their day at school) that the multiple school shooters who had ready access to killing machines. Nice try though.

Gang violence has DEFINITELY killed more students than the popularized mass shootings? Are you dumb? Please answer the question. Which issues should students always be allowed to protest, and who makes that determination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cobb County, GA is giving students a 5 day suspension for a 17-minute walkout that doesn't leave school grounds.

That, I'd protest, but I'd also be proud of my kid for making a sacrifice to do what's right.

Yeah, that’s definite grounds for a lawsuit. Looks like school officials in Cobb County forgot to take that School Law class where they could have read about Tinker v. Des Moines and how the Supreme Court ruled on that one. Hopefully the ACLU is on this.

I don't think many people are worried about what is going on in Cobb County, or look to it as a mecca of tolerance and understanding. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a one day detention? Just let the kid serve it proudly. Get home work done. Like you said, civil disobedience has consequences and that is okay. Your kid did the right thing and he or she knows that.

Yeah, I'm torn between the lessons. On the one hand, yeah, civil disobedience has consequences. On the other hand, I genuinely don't recognize the authority of the school to detain my child for this. Maybe not a hill worth dying on.

Why don't you recognize their authority? Because she walked out for a good reason that you agreed with? What if she had walked out for a reason you didn't agree with, or started protesting daily or something?

I would think she'd serve this detention as a badge of honor, and you ought to help her see it that way. If you ALSO want to send a strongly-worded statement to the administration expressing your disappointment and anget that they didn't accommodate the walkout or offer an alternative, that's a good plan, too.

What's the point of an "accomodated" walkout? It makes as much sense as a sit-in when you're invited to the dinner.

The point is facilitating the students' civic involvement, which some schools are doing. The stated reason for the walkout is to commemorate the Parkland victims and other victims of school shootings. In that narrow reading of the point of the walkout, it would be fine for schools to accommodate it, or to say they won't punish kids for it.

Kids are being asked to do this regardless, but there's no rule that says some schools can't also buck the system as a whole.

So it's not actually a protest? They just want to have a moment of silence?

Maybe you tell your child how to protest, if they are even allowed to do so (doubt it) - but some of us do not live in a dictatorship household.

I'm not talking about individual households, I'm talking about what you said is the stated purpose of the walkout. It sounds like it's not actually a protest. Is that right?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

Who should determine the correct political issues for which schools give children a pass?

Any issue that involves children getting murdered at school should be allowed a "pass".

So if, for example, an illegal immigrant kills a student, students across the country will be free to protest lax immigration enforcement and sanctuary cities by walking out?

What about if kids want to protest gang/drug shootings in places like Chicago or Baltimore, which sometimes happen in school yards, and the societal breakdown that exacerbates them? They should have the freedom to do so?

I don't think either of those scenarios have produced the number of innocent victims (who were, by the way, going about their day at school) that the multiple school shooters who had ready access to killing machines. Nice try though.

Gang violence has DEFINITELY killed more students than the popularized mass shootings? Are you dumb? Please answer the question. Which issues should students always be allowed to protest, and who makes that determination.

ON SCHOOL GROUNDS? ARE *YOU* DUMB? I know the answer, as you can not read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cobb County, GA is giving students a 5 day suspension for a 17-minute walkout that doesn't leave school grounds.

That, I'd protest, but I'd also be proud of my kid for making a sacrifice to do what's right.

Yeah, that’s definite grounds for a lawsuit. Looks like school officials in Cobb County forgot to take that School Law class where they could have read about Tinker v. Des Moines and how the Supreme Court ruled on that one. Hopefully the ACLU is on this.

How does Tinker v DM apply? Walking out of school disrupts the educational process. Five days is excessive IMO but pretty sure the district has the authority to set discipline policy. What's important to know is what is normally the consequence for missing one class or less than one full class. I doubt it's five days.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you prefer the school give you the option of a one-day out-of-school suspension so it's not an "unlawful detainment"? Or are you just looking to get your kid out of any consequences? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the schools that are giving kids a pass on this, but part of this kind of civic action is learning and weighing the consequences, so I think your child has been given a very valuable lesson here.

DP here. I don't think the matter qualifies as unlawful detainment. If it does qualify, it would be a reach. The kids are underage, and required to be in school, by law.

PP here, I don't either. That's why I put it in quotes.